The 'new' style of NFL quarterbacking also seems to favor having a guy who can scramble and pick up first downs with his legs. But no one ever says, "If only Drew Brees had some wheels."Watch the Bears with Mitch Trubisky (previous) or Andy Dalton (now) for 5 minutes and you can understand very fast why dink and dunk will never land you in the top 10 of any team in the NFL. If you have a dink and dunk person that is not more accurate than an Olympic archer or a future HOFer, you are in trouble and looking for your next QB.
Being able to throw the deep ball and 'stretching the field' is certainly an important weapon for an offense to possess and display.
But let's not play down the valuable aspects of a 'dink & dunk' offense either. Throwing a bomb for a quick score does nothing to wear down an opposing defense nor does it run a lot of clock. True, a 10-15 play drive needs a lot of great execution by your offense in order to reach the goal of scoring points. But when a QB is as efficient at completing such long drives for points as Drew was, this style of offense basically sets up a team for success in the last quarter of a game simply due to expending the defense of the opponent; while at the same time giving yours a chance to stay fresh to the end.
I get it, the bombs are exciting and make for an impressive highlight reel after the game. I love them as well! But if these flashy long passes aren't connecting in a game (for whatever reason), it just becomes a quick series with no points... and possibly no 'W'.
It's all about scoring points. I totally agree that having the ability to launch 60+ yard rainbows can keep our opponents guessing, but 'ball control' is equally important in order to have a successful offense. On Sunday Jameis and his team showed the ability to do both as they romped over the Packers. But having the right balance on offense is still the key. We saw that demonstrated very well on the field in Jacksonville. I really want to see that good balance throughout the season!
Good Post, but you are severely underplaying the need to stretch the field, even the threat of such.The 'new' style of NFL quarterbacking also seems to favor having a guy who can scramble and pick up first downs with his legs. But no one ever says, "If only Drew Brees had some wheels."
True, the position seems to be evolving in that direction, but obviously being able to hit that diaper from 20 yards was Drew's forte' and we were able to have a lot of success due to his accuracy, intelligence, and game management. Was it Brees' time to hang up the cleats? Most definitely. Was he the reason we couldn't get over the last few hurdles of the playoffs recently? I personally don't think so.
While I'm sad for Drew that he never was able to hoist another Lombardi, I'm glad that we had a good shot at it the number of times that we did. And I believe that Drew had something to do with our being in that mix. If Jameis can do the same as our quarterback, I will be equally happy for him and us!
I think the general narrative that it was more consequential in the playoffs when playing against tougher defenses is correct. We had such little room for error in the playoffs with the dink and dunk stuff, with it we lacked the ability to keep the defenses honest and had little to no ability to "get it all back" in one pass play. It was an aspect missing from our offense and I do think it was a problem.We certainly weren't completely shut down because the bombs were rare.
I think our record bears that out. And regarding the postseason woes the last few years, there were a lot of other breakdowns leading to the losses that had nothing to do with Drew's lack of arm strength. Football is still a team game that requires everyone to execute their assignments properly in order to be successful.
I personally never viewed the Saints offense as being 'handcuffed' due to Drew. But obviously many fans did.
I can only imagine how many other teams wished to have the level of success we had with Brees the last 5 years or so.
I agree that it was Drew's time to retire. The Covid year of 2020 was a sad ending to his career for more reasons than the playoff loss to the Bucs.You can't execute ball control offense against a top 10 defense without being able to convincingly throw a deep ball. If the other team can squeeze down and in then your ability to dink and dunk goes away. I completely agree that dominating a team by controlling the ball is a much better tactic than scoring quick, but you still need to be able to go over the top or your scheme will fall apart. You can judge a teams respect for your outside game by charting the number of snaps they take in cover 2, 1, 0. If the other team is in cover 1 as their base then you're getting no respect.
Maybe (just maybe) if Cook didn't fumble away our realistic shot at beating the Bucs last January, the last 3 years wouldn't have seemed like such a "drag".Good Post, but you are severely underplaying the need to stretch the field, even the threat of such.
But I hope even if Jameis wins us a couple of trophies, we learn from the hero worship and recognize when he has lost it, to the point that we cant finish the job. Let's not drag it out 3 extra years again.
Yep, it becomes harder for any team to beat an opponent who has 'figured you out'... or is able to get away with murder by the officials.The 2018 Dallas game seemed to create the template on how to stop "late career" Drew Brees. He was having an MVP quality season to that point, but had also noticeably become more conservative with his play. They got really grabby with the receivers within 20 yards and didn't worry about anything downfield, and it suffocated the offense.
The Rams were able to copy that game plan, and take the grabbyness to the next level later that year, and we've seen it in games we've struggled in since. Not every team had the personnel or coaching to do this -- it helped to have a fast linebacking crew that could help defend the underneath passing game (see Tampa in the playoffs last year) -- but in the playoffs you're going to run into these teams more often than in the regular season.
Shizzle, Drew's play didn't lose the Vikings or the Rams. And the pressure on Drew because two years,(last year and the year before) in a row they used the bull rush up the middle on us and we couldn't stop it from collapsing the pocket, thus Drew had no chance to do anything. You can pretend you were right all this time. But the long ball doesn't really matter since we couldn't stop them when they put their ends rushing on our guards. Last year was the only year where the lack of arm strength actually came into play because he could barely move with half his ribs broken. Same with Taysom, Sean crafted a playbook that worked for him and we went 3 and 1, same for Teddy and he went 5-0.
Even with the long ball Sunday, our receivers could not get open. only 5 passes went to a Wide out.
He did the minimum against GB.