Give Drew credit for admitting the deep throws have been missing. (1 Viewer)

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If teams are trying their best to win every game they play, why aren't they doing all of those things you suggest only take place in the playoffs?

We exploited match-up issues in the regular season. We watched film and targeted either scheme issues or bad fits. The playoff teams obviously have fewer holes to exploit....
 

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I think the TD to Harris late in the game says it all. The past couple of years, that late in a game, after 25-30 passes, Drew doesn't make that throw; and frankly, I don't think he could've made that throw even if it was the first throw of the game. Winston was at the Saints' 36, and Deonte caught that at the 5. The throw went 59 yards.

On a related note, if there was a throw that will make defenses respect the long ball, is that one. It should open a lot close to the line.
 

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I’m in a daze thinking that people here don’t realize that one of the most cerebral QBs to ever play the game can’t realize his own limitations.

100% Brees knew that certain routes were off limits the last few years. Due to a combination of injuries, arm strength, and pocket mobility.
Especially 35 yards and beyond, and outside the numbers. Teams just didnt.even worry about those areas anymore...no need.

You see what happens when you can make all the throws. The defense cant cheat anymore.
 

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It's not just the 55 yard bomb that was missing. He couldn't throw a 30 yard laser without a deep drop and full leg plant and weight transfer. If you can't do that then 20 yard outs become closed off. It essentially let the other team play inside out and take away the easy stuff.
Which they did to us, often.
 

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We exploited match-up issues in the regular season. We watched film and targeted either scheme issues or bad fits. The playoff teams obviously have fewer holes to exploit....
That's what MT was upset about. He said that in the playoffs, teams just closed in, and if the QB cant throw deep (Teams know he cant move the defense back) they just sit on the underneath stuff, all Brees could throw. Playoffs have a faster speed as well, so all the 15 yard things we enjoyed in regular season began to disappear.
 

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Winston running on that first series completely surprised GB.

They were really good instinctive runs too. When I used to watch him in Tampa he would sometimes hesitate too long or force a pass.

He looks poised and patient here- reacting to the opportunities rather than forcing it.

There was one play where he had forever to throw. Tampa Winston would have launched it. I was so impressed he went through his reads, saw there was nothing, and threw it away. That’s a play people won’t talk about but is just as big as a TD
 

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I am so over this false narrative that I've seen repeated multiple times on this forum.....

As if winning 11 to 13 regular season games never happened against eventual playoff teams.

But OH OH OH, sorry Saints, the playoffs are here, now you'll completely forget how to move the ball. Because long pass reasons.

In 2017 and 2018, Brees had playoff wins ripped from him due to the untimely incompetence of others. 2019? I would say that game had more to do with Zimmer's pass rush scheme as opposed to "because long pass reasons". And it STILL went into Overtime. And in 2020......they had a 7 point lead in the 3rd quarter over a team they'd already defeated TWICE, which likely was about to go to 14 until.....once again....untimely incompetence courtesy of a fumble. So let's not pretend some switch magically got flipped every year in the playoffs and the Saints were automatically "figured out" come playoff time. We should have been good enough to win a title with Brees as recent as his final season, which obviously was his most injury-filled.
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Just outta curiosity...did the watch the Saints with/without Drew Brees? TB starting is when Murray surged as a star. He only manage the game. Hill was average and faced the easiest part of NO schedule.

I understand you guys wanna believe the deep ball was missing and they may be true...but you underestimate the benefit of having a smart QB. As I've said JW manage the ball game. He didn't do too much. Nobody can deny the poor play of GB. GB threw in the towel when the game started.

I was impressed with JW, because he ain't force the ball. But again one game.
 

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Just outta curiosity...did the watch the Saints with/without Drew Brees? TB starting is when Murray surged as a star. He only manage the game. Hill was average and faced the easiest part of NO schedule.

I understand you guys wanna believe the deep ball was missing and they may be true...but you underestimate the benefit of having a smart QB. As I've said JW manage the ball game. He didn't do too much. Nobody can deny the poor play of GB. GB threw in the towel when the game started.

I was impressed with JW, because he ain't force the ball. But again one game.
It's just one game, but actually 10 games since 2019. Keeping with the title of the thread, Brees is playful with this and supportive. Jameis has more skills than any QB we ever had, but all of this is about Sean. This is gonna be an exciting season.
 

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Being able to throw the deep ball and 'stretching the field' is certainly an important weapon for an offense to possess and display.
But let's not play down the valuable aspects of a 'dink & dunk' offense either. Throwing a bomb for a quick score does nothing to wear down an opposing defense nor does it run a lot of clock. True, a 10-15 play drive needs a lot of great execution by your offense in order to reach the goal of scoring points. But when a QB is as efficient at completing such long drives for points as Drew was, this style of offense basically sets up a team for success in the last quarter of a game simply due to expending the defense of the opponent; while at the same time giving yours a chance to stay fresh to the end.

I get it, the bombs are exciting and make for an impressive highlight reel after the game. I love them as well! But if these flashy long passes aren't connecting in a game (for whatever reason), it just becomes a quick series with no points... and possibly no 'W'.

It's all about scoring points. I totally agree that having the ability to launch 60+ yard rainbows can keep our opponents guessing, but 'ball control' is equally important in order to have a successful offense. On Sunday Jameis and his team showed the ability to do both as they romped over the Packers. But having the right balance on offense is still the key. We saw that demonstrated very well on the field in Jacksonville. I really want to see that good balance throughout the season! :9:
 
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It's just one game, but actually 10 games since 2019. Keeping with the title of the thread, Brees is playful with this and supportive. Jameis has more skills than any QB we ever had, but all of this is about Sean. This is gonna be an exciting season.
I did refer to the 10 gms Brees missed. Hill was impressive because it was his first games as a full time QB. Bridgewater did his thing and manage the GM, but mostly Murray carried the load.

I'm not referring to one game. Little confused by your response. JW played one game and he wasn't lights out. He did the minimum against GB.

I do agree I wanna see what Payton does with JW. The rest of the team Kamara and defense I expect to play good. Our defense does struggle a bit when it comes to deep passers (except Brady), but at the end of day they do make the stops when necessary.
 

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It really surprises me how many people don't understand "Sarcasm"

Drew was clearly being sarcastic. Although I agree with it, the tonality of what he said was not him admitting, rather then him hearing all the analyst say it for weeks and him clapping back at it in a serious but playful way.

No offense to anyone on here, bc it even went over the national media's head, but it's hilarious to me 🤣🤣
He was making a joke and knew it'd be funny because he knows that we can see that he hadn't been capable of completing a throw like that in the past few years.
 

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Being able to throw the deep ball and 'stretching the field' is certainly an important weapon for an offense to possess and display.
But let's not play down the valuable aspects of a 'dink & dunk' offense either. Throwing a bomb for a quick score does nothing to wear down an opposing defense nor does it run a lot of clock. True, a 10-15 play drive needs a lot of great execution by your offense in order to reach the goal of scoring points. But when a QB is as efficient at completing such long drives for points as Drew was, this style of offense basically sets up a team for success in the last quarter of a game simply due to expending the defense of the opponent; while at the same time giving yours a chance to stay fresh to the end.

I get it, the bombs are exciting and make for an impressive highlight reel after the game. I love them as well! But if these flashy long passes aren't connecting in a game (for whatever reason), it just becomes a quick series with no points... and possibly no 'W'.

It's all about scoring points. I totally agree that having the ability to launch 60+ yard rainbows can keep our opponents guessing, but 'ball control' is equally important in order to have a successful offense. On Sunday Jameis and his team showed the ability to do both as they romped over the Packers. But having the right balance on offense is still the key. We saw that demonstrated very well on the field in Jacksonville. I really want to see that good balance throughout the season! :9:
Think that's exactly what's being said. We lost the balance over the past few years. Causing teams to choke us close-in.
 

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It really surprises me how many people don't understand "Sarcasm"

Drew was clearly being sarcastic. Although I agree with it, the tonality of what he said was not him admitting, rather then him hearing all the analyst say it for weeks and him clapping back at it in a serious but playful way.

No offense to anyone on here, bc it even went over the national media's head, but it's hilarious to me 🤣🤣
If only the national media could read this perfectly accurate post! :melike:
 

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Think that's exactly what's being said. We lost the balance over the past few years. Causing teams to choke us close-in.
We certainly weren't completely shut down because the bombs were rare. I think our record bears that out.
And regarding the postseason woes the last few years, there were a lot of other breakdowns leading to the losses that had nothing to do with Drew's lack of arm strength. Football is still a team game that requires everyone to execute their assignments properly in order to be successful.

I personally never viewed the Saints offense as being 'handcuffed' due to Drew. But obviously many fans did.
I can only imagine how many other teams wished to have the level of success we had with Brees the last 5 years or so. :scratch:
 
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