Homeless situation.... (2 Viewers)

[guidomerkinsrules]

Yeh, we tried the public housing project solution, didn't work out that well.

you're actually arguing against yourself
public housing did work as they were intended
white flight and over policing of communities of color turned the housing projects into ghettos

 

[MTDB1983]

you're already spending your money on the homeless problem
10x more than you would be spending on the solutions

I had no say so in what’s happened previously.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I had no say so in what’s happened previously.

not sure how that replies to what i was saying

 

[SystemShock]

Yes sir. You’re right sir. I saw the light among the darkness. Thank you sir.

The reason why your argument is fallacious is because it fails to scale all the factors involved in the proposition accordingly. You can't simply compare the population of each country, you need to compare each country's resources as well.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

We live in a country with tons of opportunity. I don’t have a lot of patience for people that complain about how difficult this country is.

i am happy for you that you have succeeded financially in life - make your bag, good for you
but i think you're confusing 'anyone can do it' with 'everyone can do it'
Taysom Hill can tell a gym full of kids that if they work hard just like him they too can be a swiss army football player - that's a much better story than 'if it wasn't for crazy coach payton listening to a 90 yr old special teams coach, i'd be a PE teacher right now\

so you think that america has 'tons of opportunities' bc you succeeded, even though your own story really doesn't support your argument - if there were tons of opportunities you'r have succeeded much sooner than you did

now think about it honestly
if there are 100 of you. and each go through all of your battles, do you honestly thing each of those 100 will make your Drug and Safety money?

i will tell you that there are 1000s who have your same story, worked as hard or harder and are still in the struggle and most will stay there

 

[SystemShock]

Honest question: Why work at Wal Mart then? Are you being forced to? Is anyone? I’m serious about this. Please don’t reply with something aggressive and mean.

Because sometimes people can't find anything better, for a number of reasons. Could be geography, could be education...

You asked what stops people from moving to an area with better options, or creating an online business, or trying to invent a product... well, a lot of people do just that, and they end up homeless because their attempts at a better life fail. For every person who makes it because they moved to a better location, or started a business, or invented something, there are hundreds (if not thousands) of people who don't make it. And that they fail doesn't mean they didn't work hard enough, or they weren't smart enough... sometimes life just beats you.

 

[SystemShock]

I don't feel bad for the homeless. Most of them here in Portland are lazy drug addicts that have burned every friend and family bridge they had, and live in utter filth.

My solution, bring back the work farms. there is plenty of land away from cities and towns you can setup a tent city, and have the people who live their work a farm to raise and eat food, and keep their living area clean and maintained. If your caught squatting on public property, ship them off to the work farm. Stop making being homeless so easy and it will go away.

The first paragraph/last sentence notwithstanding, some people will have a problem with the way you phrased the idea, but there is merit to it.

 

[SaintsBrazil]

Some homelessness will not be solved. So, the goal would be to significantly reduce homelessness and provide a path out.

Some parts of the solution would require a culture-wide and city-wide people-level change that is unrealistic, such as never giving cash to panhandlers. As cruel as that sounds, it would go a long way to changing the number of enabled life-style homeless. This has been shown to be the case in many studies (no links for this assertion).

Evangelism leading many (not just homeless) to abandon sinful habits and follow Jesus would make a tremendous difference. (No I am not saying they need to just pick themselves up by the bootstraps, but that a culture-wide revival would certainly change things.) One can look at how drastically things improved in the 1700s when four million out of Britain’s five million people lived in absolute poverty, but as a result of the revival led by John Wesley, within a generation, there was a robust middle class.

Free short-term housing would make a significant difference. The requirements would need to be fleshed out, but a 6-month, twice-renewable housing unit could provide a just the launch needed for someone who is going through a series of unfortunate events.

That's just me brainstorming. I am sure there are other ideas.

Again, homelessness is not something that a single solution will change.

 

[jboss]

@jboss curious to hear what about my post made you give me a clown emoji. Nice and open respectable convo welcome.

Cuz it's painfully obvious you've never struggled financially at any point of your life and have no idea what you're talking about. Using the same old right wing "bootstrap" mentality that's been played out by now to the point of parody. As if poverty is a product of people being lazy or unmotivated and not the exact design of a capitalist economy. Clown stuff my dude.

 

[MTDB1983]

When a few hundred people have over half of the nations wealth resources, it's demoralizing to those trying. It's just not possible and it's obscene and it's wrong.

I disagree. But that’s ok. I still thank you for your service.

 

[MTDB1983]

The reason why your argument is fallacious is because it fails to scale all the factors involved in the proposition accordingly. You can't simply compare the population of each country, you need to compare each country's resources as well.

Ok

 

[MTDB1983]

Cuz it's painfully obvious you've never struggled financially at any point of your life and have no idea what you're talking about. Using the same old right wing "bootstrap" mentality that's been played out by now to the point of parody. As if poverty is a product of people being lazy or unmotivated and not the exact design of a capitalist economy. Clown stuff my dude.

I’ve never struggled financially? So basically what you’re saying is that I’m a liar. Think about that. You are perfectly willing to discredit every single thing I had to say, call a complete stranger a liar, because you want so badly to believe what you believe. Do you have any clue how unfortunate that is?

 

[Dan in Lafayette]

Elephant in room: U.S. National Debt is $22,000,000,000,000 (that's 22 trillion).

Solution: Spend more.

 

[Dan in Lafayette]

Cuz it's painfully obvious you've never struggled financially at any point of your life and have no idea what you're talking about. Using the same old right wing "bootstrap" mentality that's been played out by now to the point of parody. As if poverty is a product of people being lazy or unmotivated and not the exact design of a capitalist economy. Clown stuff my dude.

Is that you, Miss Cleo? Painfully obvious? Cuz you would have to be a psychic to have any real reason to come to that conclusion. You really know absolutely nothing of his life. But he must be lying because he doesn't fit your narrative. It must be tough for you living in such a distrusting bubble.

 

[Outbackjack]

What wou

Cuz it's painfully obvious you've never struggled financially at any point of your life and have no idea what you're talking about. Using the same old right wing "bootstrap" mentality that's been played out by now to the point of parody. As if poverty is a product of people being lazy or unmotivated and not the exact design of a capitalist economy. Clown stuff my dude.

Don’t say poverty isn’t a product of being lazy.

As you said, it can be from the capitalistic economy structure.
It can ALSO be from lazy behavior.
It can be a unlucky breaks.
It can be from mental illness.

I would never say it’s this and not that.

I’m pretty sure there are multiple avenues that end up with one being homeless.