Homeless situation.... (1 Viewer)

[The Moose]

Elephant in room: U.S. National Debt is $22,000,000,000,000 (that's 22 trillion).

Solution: Spend more.

Like this one a ton!

Let's be fiscally conservative.

Or just maybe if we get more people mentally healthy they can also pull.

 

[crosswatt]

Elephant in room: U.S. National Debt is $22,000,000,000,000 (that's 22 trillion).

Solution: Spend more.

The issue for me (in this particular discussion) would how to lessen the long term burden of homelessness and it's resulting cost to the tax payer. Like paying a credit card down all at once or letting it drag on by paying just above the minimum for years, what if a influx of current year dollars cost us a fortune, but cut the yearly output exponentially? I personally think that is a better use of our collective April 15th bill.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

i am happy for you that you have succeeded financially in life - make your bag, good for you
but i think you're confusing 'anyone can do it' with 'everyone can do it'
Taysom Hill can tell a gym full of kids that if they work hard just like him they too can be a swiss army football player - that's a much better story than 'if it wasn't for crazy coach payton listening to a 90 yr old special teams coach, i'd be a PE teacher right now\

so you think that america has 'tons of opportunities' bc you succeeded, even though your own story really doesn't support your argument - if there were tons of opportunities you'r have succeeded much sooner than you did

now think about it honestly
if there are 100 of you. and each go through all of your battles, do you honestly thing each of those 100 will make your Drug and Safety money?

i will tell you that there are 1000s who have your same story, worked as hard or harder and are still in the struggle and most will stay there

@MTDB1983
I’m feeling a certain way
You replied to everyone else

 

[crosswatt]

I’m a big believer in States rights. If this is something you want done at the city level, I would support you wanting that. I think city and state government should have plenty of freedom to exercise such programs and projects. Where we will butt heads is when you start trying to force it at the federal level and make me spend my hard earned money on it.

There is almost nothing I would stand in the way of at the city and state level. Anything politically that I argue over is almost entirely at the Fed level.

I get that, but last year, only 11 states gave more to the federal government than they received back, which means that 39 states are in a yearly deficit situation. And my opinion is that most of them should set up their own program to get permanent housing established for their particular population of homelessness, and then increase that deficit that single year, to hopefully decrease it in subsequent years. I'm not necessarily speaking about a federal takeover of how the states handle the issue, but the reality is that it's going to cost way more than any state could reasonably expect to afford, so federal money will have to be involved.

In terms of your hard earned money, a crucial part of success is helping those who can't or won't do the same as you. In A Christmas Carol for example, Scrooge is well within his rights to act indignant when his wealth is threatened by other factors. After all, he legitimately worked harder and longer hours than anyone else to acquire it. He earned every penny. But what did it buy him? Loneliness and grief.

And I'm not singling you out, as I've heard this same type of statement (e.g. "I work for my money", "they need to pay their fair share", "they can get a job just like me", etc) my whole life. Have even said similar a time or two, if I'm being honest. The idea of sharing is not in our DNA. It has to be taught, frequently and with purpose. But it is a part of our emotional development as members of society. To let go of the child like "hey that's mine!" type reaction that we all and I mean ALL suffer from way too often. We're all tired. We mostly don't like having to go to work every single day. It puts us in a mood. And that mood makes us want to dismiss any potential idea to help those who won't walk that same path out of either envy or indignation. I'm not sure which works in each of our personal stances. But I think that, if we can get past that better, our society as a whole will be better off for it.

 

[jboss]

Is that you, Miss Cleo? Painfully obvious? Cuz you would have to be a psychic to have any real reason to come to that conclusion. You really know absolutely nothing of his life. But he must be lying because he doesn't fit your narrative. It must be tough for you living in such a distrusting bubble.

O I live in a distrusting bubble? You really know absolutely nothing of my life. You would have to be psychic to come up with that conclusion.

 

[superchuck500]

i am happy for you that you have succeeded financially in life - make your bag, good for you
but i think you're confusing 'anyone can do it' with 'everyone can do it'
Taysom Hill can tell a gym full of kids that if they work hard just like him they too can be a swiss army football player - that's a much better story than 'if it wasn't for crazy coach payton listening to a 90 yr old special teams coach, i'd be a PE teacher right now\

so you think that america has 'tons of opportunities' bc you succeeded, even though your own story really doesn't support your argument - if there were tons of opportunities you'r have succeeded much sooner than you did

now think about it honestly
if there are 100 of you. and each go through all of your battles, do you honestly thing each of those 100 will make your Drug and Safety money?

i will tell you that there are 1000s who have your same story, worked as hard or harder and are still in the struggle and most will stay there

Like they say, it isn’t a home run if you started on third base.

 

[MTDB1983]

Like they say, it isn’t a home run if you started on third base.

What about when you started in a place that couldn’t afford a ball, bat, or glove?

 

[Tapxe]

What about when you started in a place that couldn’t afford a ball, bat, or glove?

As some other have said, good for you. But just because you got through despite the odds, doesn't mean everyone else will or that even starting at the same point they'll have opportunity.

For me the problem is the starting point. We've pushed that line so far back, too many are left behind.

And starting behind isn't the same everywhere. Many factors go into it such as race, religion, intelligence and location.

 

[jboss]

I’ve never struggled financially? So basically what you’re saying is that I’m a liar. Think about that. You are perfectly willing to discredit every single thing I had to say, call a complete stranger a liar, because you want so badly to believe what you believe. Do you have any clue how unfortunate that is?

Not saying you're lying or intentionally trying to deceive. Just you don't really understand what it means to be in poor or in poverty. What you have experienced that you might be considering struggling probably looks a whole lot different to those in actual poverty. And it's your attitude towards it is what makes it so obvious. No one who's actually been poor before looks down their nose at people for being poor because they know better.

 

[SystemShock]

Elephant in room: U.S. National Debt is $22,000,000,000,000 (that's 22 trillion).

Solution: Spend more.

I don't think the solution is to spend more, but rather spend wisely. For example, we could pluck a measly billion from the billions we give to Israel and spend that money to better the lives of U.S. citizens.

 

[MTDB1983]

Not saying you're lying or intentionally trying to deceive. Just you don't really understand what it means to be in poor or in poverty. What you have experienced that you might be considering struggling probably looks a whole lot different to those in actual poverty. And it's your attitude towards it is what makes it so obvious. No one who's actually been poor before looks down their nose at people for being poor because they know better.

Dude I used to go days without eating. I had to wear my sisters clothes in middle school and high school because we were so poor. My dad was nowhere around, and my mom made minimum-wage. Don’t talk to me about Not knowing what it means to be poor. I was the poorest kid in my neighborhood and got bullied and made fun of all growing up due to that. I’m sorry that you’re wanting to push your narrative so bad you can’t believe someone is being genuine, but I’m telling you the honest to God truth.

I do not look down on poor people. I look down on people who make poor choices.

 

[gwballin]

Dude I used to go days without eating. I had to wear my sisters clothes in middle school and high school because we were so poor. My dad was nowhere around, and my mom made minimum-wage. Don’t talk to me about Not knowing what it means to be poor. I was the poorest kid in my neighborhood and got bullied and made fun of all growing up due to that. I’m sorry that you’re wanting to push your narrative so bad you can’t believe someone is being genuine, but I’m telling you the honest to God truth.

I do not look down on poor people. I look down on people who make poor choices.

Like your mom and dad?

Might it be that you are transferring your anger at your parents to others in a similar situation allowing you to rationalize their suffering as a perfectly acceptable punishment?

Wouldn't it be better to advocate for policies to prevent today's and future children from having to suffer as you did?

 

[farfromsilent]

Dude I used to go days without eating. I had to wear my sisters clothes in middle school and high school because we were so poor. My dad was nowhere around, and my mom made minimum-wage. Don’t talk to me about Not knowing what it means to be poor. I was the poorest kid in my neighborhood and got bullied and made fun of all growing up due to that. I’m sorry that you’re wanting to push your narrative so bad you can’t believe someone is being genuine, but I’m telling you the honest to God truth.

I do not look down on poor people. I look down on people who make poor choices.

Dude. You are not going to get anywhere talking to them about it. As you said, your testimony doesn't fit their narrative.

 

[MTDB1983]

Like your mom and dad?

Might it be that you are transferring your anger at your parents to others in a similar situation allowing you to rationalize their suffering as a perfectly acceptable punishment?

Wouldn't it be better to advocate for policies to prevent today's and future children from having to suffer as you did?

So now I rationalize poor peoples suffering. And I don’t advocate for ANY policies that help the poor. Are you guys actually reading what you’re saying?

 

[jboss]

Dude. You are not going to get anywhere talking to them about it. As you said, your testimony doesn't fit their narrative.

Neither of yall are in any position to be finger pointing about narrative.