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My memory may be off. Perhaps it was 2015. But we got rid of a ton of starters, particularly on defense, changed coordinators and had 3 seasons of 7-9 while we rebuilt the roster.
How long should a successful rebuild take? (12 Viewers)
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Bum Phillips sometimes joked about a coach being so good that he could take 'his'n and beat your'n and take your'n and beat his'n'. While I won't argue that the truly great teams generally have a few great players to improve the coach's odds of producing a winning squad, like you I do believe that you can't produce a great/winning team without a top notch head coach no matter how good the players are that he's been given.
To me one of the advantages of having a new head coach from outside the organization is that the players must earn their reputation with the new guy who is (generally) not coming into the organization with established friendships or favorites. A totally new guy isn't swayed by emotion. He has a philosophy and he picks the right guys who can best execute his plan of attack.
The one thing that I like about Rizzi is that he seems to want to head coaching job permanently and he may not allow favoritism & friendships to stand in the way of putting the best players that he can find to run his schemes. But it's hard not to allow strong personal bonds have an affect on who gets penciled into the Final 53.
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It starts with acknowledging that you need to rebuild and then taking the necessary steps to implement the rebuild process.
We definitely need GM and Coach that understand the process.
It starts with building through the draft. Drafting your key players, such as your future franchise QB.
The rebuild process can take from 2 to 3 years if everything goes well according to plan.
We definitely need GM and Coach that understand the process.
It starts with building through the draft. Drafting your key players, such as your future franchise QB.
The rebuild process can take from 2 to 3 years if everything goes well according to plan.
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We won't get to the #3 (or better) seed solely by beating the teams in the NFC South. We'll need to be able to beat the real contenders in the NFC... and that may take more than just a year or two of rebuilding.
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If the Saints waist draft picks in the 2nd round like they did with Foske, the rebuild could take awhile. At the moment, there are so many holes to fill you don't even know where to start. Should it be QB, DE, WR, etc, etc, The list of needs is numbing. The organization has been spiralling downward and it's disheartening to watch. I have no clue on the years it will take to fix. Trying to be optimistic but until the organization finds the right coach and QB again, it could be a bit before we see the Saints in the playoffs.
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The Commanders got a dynamic QB and are competing. The Broncos got an intelligent, experienced, rookie QB to go along with their difference making Head Coach and they're winning with the least amount of talent in the race. The Texans got a dynamic QB and a dynamic coach, and they've turned it around and competed in two straight seasons.
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Every rebuild is different, it could be 1 season to a perpetual rebuild status. Rebuilds also start at different points with different assets available.
There are a few recent rebuilds as examples; Detroit, Houston, Washington and Chicago.
Chicago thought they needed the right QB, so they made moves to posture themselves to get who they thought was the right QB. They loaded up on weapons, didn't address the O-line and added their QB. Was that the right answer and the right QB? TBD.
Washington did not have much in terms of weapons other than McLauren and Robinson, but they have a decent O-line and they knew they would get whoever fell to them so they concentrated on the line, defense and would add weapons later, but building the foundation for the QB was more important. Their QB is flourishing even without being loaded up with weapons. They are also headed to the playoffs 1 season after picking 2nd.
Houston had a good team with Watson, but his off the field stuff derailed it. They fell hard fast, but they did get some draft capital once they traded Watson, made the right hire for HC who brought a new identity and built around that identity. They built up the Defense, line and then took the QB that fell to them. The developed their WR1 in Nico Collins.
Detroit had pretty much nothing. They had to hire a HC who would bring in an identity and build around that. Campbell got rid of anyone who didn't fit his team build and Stafford who was being wasted in a rebuild. Goff needed to rebuild his career so it was a perfect match. That netted him some draft capital. He then built the trenches, with his guys. He drafted weapons on offense with the same mindset. Now, they are an offensive juggernaut in the image he wanted. Their defense is loaded with talent when healthy, but right now it's patchwork.
We have a young core of players to build around, the decision just needs to be made what will the team identity be and who fits that. This is where I believe Rizzi gets the job and KK stays as OC. This allows the offense to continue to build on what it has and they know what pieces they need. The defense is still TBD.
There are a few recent rebuilds as examples; Detroit, Houston, Washington and Chicago.
Chicago thought they needed the right QB, so they made moves to posture themselves to get who they thought was the right QB. They loaded up on weapons, didn't address the O-line and added their QB. Was that the right answer and the right QB? TBD.
Washington did not have much in terms of weapons other than McLauren and Robinson, but they have a decent O-line and they knew they would get whoever fell to them so they concentrated on the line, defense and would add weapons later, but building the foundation for the QB was more important. Their QB is flourishing even without being loaded up with weapons. They are also headed to the playoffs 1 season after picking 2nd.
Houston had a good team with Watson, but his off the field stuff derailed it. They fell hard fast, but they did get some draft capital once they traded Watson, made the right hire for HC who brought a new identity and built around that identity. They built up the Defense, line and then took the QB that fell to them. The developed their WR1 in Nico Collins.
Detroit had pretty much nothing. They had to hire a HC who would bring in an identity and build around that. Campbell got rid of anyone who didn't fit his team build and Stafford who was being wasted in a rebuild. Goff needed to rebuild his career so it was a perfect match. That netted him some draft capital. He then built the trenches, with his guys. He drafted weapons on offense with the same mindset. Now, they are an offensive juggernaut in the image he wanted. Their defense is loaded with talent when healthy, but right now it's patchwork.
We have a young core of players to build around, the decision just needs to be made what will the team identity be and who fits that. This is where I believe Rizzi gets the job and KK stays as OC. This allows the offense to continue to build on what it has and they know what pieces they need. The defense is still TBD.
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People do forget even with Brees we had what, 3 seasons of 7 and 9 records. So just having a great QB doesn't mean you will make it. The Ravens with Dilfer that year won a SB with a mediocre QB. Got to have a supporting cast. But hey, we do have a good punter and kicker
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i was about to say the same thing. 1 year of true pain, 1 year of optimism, 1 year with results.
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Just like the Lions did...
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they went to a super bowl no? there front office has been dysfunctional for decades. saints office is not the best but not awful either
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