How long should a successful rebuild take? (16 Viewers)

[Clintonrebel]

You posted that the Saints 05 season was the worst in NFL history, UNTIL this years Broncos. A 7 season losing streak doesn't hold a candle to the 1st 40 years in NOLA, much less the effects of the 05 season & the previous 20 years!

The Saints' had 7 winning seasons, 14 losing/even from 1985-2005. 5 playoff appearances & 1 win, with 5 coaches.
Broncos had 14 winning seasons, & 7 losing/even from 1985-2005; 12 playoff appearance & won 2 SuperBowls, with 3 coaches.
I'll gladly trade those records.

Hell the Jets have only 1 winning season out of the last 14 & aren't sniffing another, much less the playoffs.

You grossly misquoted me but it’s not worth arguing. I’ve been a Saints fan since Archie so I know the history.

 

[tinman]

You grossly misquoted me but it’s not worth arguing. I’ve been a Saints fan since Archie so I know the history.

Which part is a misquote?

"Biggest outlier until….this years Broncos."

 

[Clintonrebel]

Which part is a misquote?

"Biggest outlier until….this years Broncos."

"Biggest outlier until….this years Broncos" was a reply to somebody else's post that stated that the turnaround from 2005 was an outlier and nobody should expect results so quickly. I never said the 2005 Saints season was the worst in NFL history. Read the whole thread before you just start flaming people.

 

[Saintstigerking]

He just got a rookie qb this year.

And? His rebuild started when he got the job. He’s got his qb now look at the team.

 

[platinumvinnyv]

There's been a lot of talk around here about wanting the Saints to do a complete rebuild of the team so that the fans can once again have a team that we can all be proud of. But you're probably asking, "How long to do what?" True, what is considered a successful rebuild by one fan can be quite different from another. If you're wanting to reshuffle the cards in hopes of a royal flush you can't reasonably expect to get that hand as quickly as you might get a full house.

For conversation purposes we'll just add into the equation the goal of being better than the 4th Seed in the NFL playoffs. Let's face it, in today's NFL it's not unusual for the 4th Seed in the playoffs to still be a pretty mediocre ball club if they got there simply because they happened to be in a division where every team in it is a dumpster fire. We've seen in some case where the 5th, 6th, & 7th seeded wildcard teams are much better than the winner of the worst division in the conference.

So the question is, 'How long should it take a team who is rebuilding at every key position to become one of the top three seeded teams in your conference playoffs on a regular basis?' And as a bonus discussion, 'Who has the primary role of fielding a team that is capable of achieving that goal on a consistent basis?'

Is it reasonable to assume that such a goal could be reached fairly quickly?

There's alot of complexity to that question. I see alot of people talk about Sean Payton, but one reason I believe Sean Payton was so successful as quickly as he was because he was ahead of his time and above the curve. His Utilization of Reggie Bush, Basically he was Deebo Samual, matching reggie on slow line backers, making Safeties cover Colston. Numerous examples. But Over time the Division Caught up with Payton then finally the league as well and here lies I believe is the Saints issues and rebuilding process. It feels we are trying to build off of Payton's foundation, DA and PC so it feels we are behind now. Examples successful teams are moving away pocket passers, we still have one. Teams utilizing motion we just Hire Kubiak but we already 4-5 years behind and Kubiak needs a year or 2 to draft and get FA and players to stay healthy. On Def we are very old and slow and cant be relied on to carry an offense. So if we draft a QB he will have a bad year or 2 to start and our def cant keep the game close we be the Bears. If we sign older non mobile QB we got what we got now. I think alot needs to go right for a 3yr turn around IMO

 

[BensonJr]

As someone that has followed this team for 50 years, I am not as optimistic as many of you that think a rebuild will take 2/3 years. We need a coach, maybe GM, need to cut well over $50m from the salary cap, our limited talent is old and will decline significantly over the next 2 years and our last 4/5 drafts have not gone well. This is not a recipe for success.

I see them reaching for a QB with a high 1st round pick and the guy turning out to be a bust. New York Jets come to mind. Hopefully I am wrong but the stars are not lined up for us in the short to medium tern.

 

[Bill]

As someone that has followed this team for 50 years, I am not as optimistic as many of you that think a rebuild will take 2/3 years. We need a coach, maybe GM, need to cut well over $50m from the salary cap, our limited talent is old and will decline significantly over the next 2 years and our last 4/5 drafts have not gone well. This is not a recipe for success.

I see them reaching for a QB with a high 1st round pick and the guy turning out to be a bust. New York Jets come to mind. Hopefully I am wrong but the stars are not lined up for us in the short to medium tern.

I’m leaning on the side of needing a five year plan. But it’s hard to mention that around here without being savagely ostracized.

 

[Saint Jack]

I’m leaning on the side of needing a five year plan. But it’s hard to mention that around here without being savagely ostracized.

I think it’s because most people think “five years of losing” when you say that.
You can still be competitive during that timeframe.

 

[Bill]

I think it’s because most people think “five years of losing” when you say that.
You can still be competitive during that timeframe.

Also to most people not winning playoffs each year is losing. We have to accept that 7 to 9 win seasons are much more satisfying for a few years than what we are experiencing right now.

 

[Saint Jack]

Also to most people not winning playoffs each year is losing. We have to accept that 7 to 9 win seasons are much more satisfying for a few years than what we are experiencing right now.

And you’re in a weak division. For now.
You’re not in the dogfight for the NFC North.
The AFC West belongs to Kansas City for the foreseeable future.
A rebuild in the South could be faster.

 

[solarbear88]

My thought is this with our Cap situation things are a bit different. A 1 year turnaround isn't going to happen unless we find Payton 2.0 as HC. You use the next 2 years to build up a core and find a QB. 3rd year you can sign some free agents and maybe contend for the play offs. 4th is when you really see what you got. Sadly Mickey is our GM and has no talent for finding players. And much to our chagrin we won't be finding a QB in this draft.

 

[bclemms]

If we did it when we should have we’d be rolling with Jayden Daniels at QB and a stacked roster. Now it’ll probably take 3-4 years as our vets are too old to get value by trading and our new core will be too old by the time the rebuild is shaping up and we have to find a QB while flushing dead cap space.

 

[Hubig]

With Loomis at the helm? Don't hold your breath.

 

[los226]

We’ll be lucky to get there by 2030 with Mickey Loomis running things.

 

[BarBar]

I think every rebuild is unique.

If we TRULY went into rebuild mode, we really need 3 years to fix/reset the Salary Cap. Combine that with incremental improvements and give the new regime a chance to start fresh with the cap and 2 years of trying to sign some free agents.

5 years if we stop playing kick the can with and eat our cap manipulations.

This is a must,IMO. Stop kicking the can! We are already one of the worst teams in the league and we have the worst cap situation as far as I know. Just eat shirt for a few years and start over with a clean cap and 3 years worth of (hopefully) good draft picks to start with.

A team with some decent young talent and cap space is only a great HC and QB away from contending.