If Jeanty, T-McMillan and Will Johnson are on the board at #9, who are you taking? (23 Viewers)

[Snakehead]

Who will a team be willing to trade up for?

Probably nobody, that's why I said "if anyone would be willing to trade up".

 

[DSnfla]

Moore wants to run the ball. We need someone who can run the ball, especially between the lines. AK still has juice but he is getting old. Pairing the two, with some help at the O line, would be great.

Please tell me where you get that KM wants to run the ball?? He has said it does not matter if we pass 50 times or run 50 times a game as long as we win.
Just because he had Barkley and great OL in Philly does not mean that that's what he WANTS to do. He's going to do what fits our personnel best.

 

[DSnfla]

Exactly. Considering Carr shouldn't throw more than 20 times a game and Rattler (IMO) shouldn't throw more than 15, how many of those passes will be 5 yards or less?

Tet wouldn't (or shouldn't) get more then 3 or so targets a game. The value just isn't there. If we get him fans will cry "why aren't you throwing to tet more!?" and the reasoning is simple. Our QB's suck and even if they didn't we're still a run first team.

Tet feels like a wasted top 10 pick for someone over near the sidelines blocking more than half the game.

I disagree, Tet would get way more than 3 targets a game. He's a YAC machine. He could very well be as good or better than Thomas.
Jeanty would split carries with AK and maybe Miller

 

[DSnfla]

If the Saints were playing for 2025 I’d agree. But they shouldn’t be. The Saints aren’t ready to contend with teams like the Eagles right now. Tet would very likely outlive Carr and Rattler.

TET would be here long after DC and SR are gone

 

[DSnfla]

I was thinking along similar lines. RBs are comparatively "less expensive" than WRs, and theoretically easier to find...especially if you can conjure up a RB by committee. In fact, I PREFER that approach over a workhorse/bellcow back that, if injured, tanks your run game. But with that said, both rooms are somewhat injury prone and thin.

So how to decide? Can we get a RB in the 2nd or 3rd that is an improvement over Miller, CEH, or Mims? Can we get a WR in the 2nd or 3rd that is an improvement over Olave or Shaheed? If the answer to either question is yes, then go with the other position. If the answer to BOTH questions is yes, pick the BPA at #9 and pick the other position in a later round when the value lines up with the need. But with all that said, Saints need an upgrade at a few starter positions; and an upgrade of depth all across the board. Other than QB, this draft class is supposed to align with Saints needs and is also deep. If that's true, IMO, this draft should be BPA every step of the way and let the chips fall where they may. Maybe we can start "targeting" wants next draft? But this draft, we have too many "needs" and "musts" to be targeting "wants". JMO.

With WR $ getting dangerously close to QB $ it's going to be beneficial to take a WR almost every yr just for cap reasons. We really don't know what we have in Miller he has shown flashes when healthy which he has not been much. Upgrading the RB position would be easier on day 2 than getting someone better than Olave and Shaheed on day 2.

I would go with Tet over Jeanty due to the fact that Jeanty would split snaps with AK and maybe Miller. Tet would play almost every snap and be the big contested pass catcher we have been missing since Thomas got hurt and was never the same. Plus if Tet becomes what I think he will we have him for 5 yrs on a rookie deal before he commands big $

 

[DSnfla]

As I wrote on previous threads. I want a player we can build around for years to come.

Since Moore wants to build the offence with the focus on the run game, Jeanty will be the option. Omarion Hampton could also be an option since he is a little bigger and more of a compliment to Kamara and Edwards-Hillaire.

Now, I am very curious of what may happen with Olave. I am not sure we will want to give him a mega deal and he may be an interesting chip to trade. If that is the case McMillan will be the answer.

I am still very interested in Tyler Warren, he will help both as a run blocker and as a great option moving the chains in third downs.

Please show me where KM said he wants to focus on the run game!!

 

[DSnfla]

I don't think Rattler sucks....he hasn't had a fair shot with the starters yet, cause everyone was hurt.

We need to see him with starters and then see what we have.

I'm not big on Derek Carr either but he definitely doesn't suck. We just won't win shirt with him.

However, if we can keep them both at 20 passes a game with the 3 headed monster we have Kamara, Jeanty*, Miller, Edward-Helaire....we should be safe with both QBs.

Well if Carr only throws 20 passes a game he can't be blamed for losing the game.. Ohh wait , what am I saying

 

[DSnfla]

This is how I view it too. There will RBs available in later rounds who can be the heir apparent and or sidekick to Kamara later in the draft. I’m not so sure there will be a big bodied possession WR1 available if Tet is available at 9 and we don’t draft him. Olave isn’t a #1 target you can rely on to win those contested catches consistently to move the chains or score, and every SB winner in the last 5-10 years is more likely to have a dominant #1 receiving option (whether at TE or WR) than the bellcow type RB1.

There are a few Big body X WR after Tet but Tet is head and shoulders above them. If we don't get Tet , then we could get the big contested catch guy in a TE like Warren. Or on day 2 we could shoot for Harris, Higgins ,Ayomanor,Bech. The most intriguing day 2 WR for me is Savion Williams , 6'4" 225 and has been used in the wildcat

 

[DSnfla]

You take McMillan and then take Skattebo with the next pick cause Jeanty will be gone. Skattebo may end up being the better back in the long run.

I'll throw something at the TV if they take Skatt @ 40. WAY WAY too early for him

 

[Trey W.]

With WR $ getting dangerously close to QB $ it's going to be beneficial to take a WR almost every yr just for cap reasons. We really don't know what we have in Miller he has shown flashes when healthy which he has not been much. Upgrading the RB position would be easier on day 2 than getting someone better than Olave and Shaheed on day 2.

I would go with Tet over Jeanty due to the fact that Jeanty would split snaps with AK and maybe Miller. Tet would play almost every snap and be the big contested pass catcher we have been missing since Thomas got hurt and was never the same. Plus if Tet becomes what I think he will we have him for 5 yrs on a rookie deal before he commands big $

This also plays into what kind of contract Olave wants when it's time to negotiate versus what the team is willing to pay for someone with his concussion history. I'm sure some desperate team would be willing to overpay him; I just hope it's not us.

Having a true #1 WR and Olave as a #2 WR may also benefit him in the long run.

 

[Snakehead]

Please show me where KM said he wants to focus on the run game!!

I don't think he has, but it's an easy assumption to make considering the Eagles strengths last year. However, that's the team they have built so he used it.

I discovered something last night when I was completing my Top 25 WRs from last year, both in Receptions and in Yards/Game. The Eagles had 2 of the Top 25 WRs in Yards/Game with AJ Brown at 83 yards/game and Devonta Smith at 64.1 yards/game. I thought that was an interesting stat considering how much they ran the ball with Barkley and Hurts.

 

[Snakehead]

With WR $ getting dangerously close to QB $ it's going to be beneficial to take a WR almost every yr just for cap reasons. We really don't know what we have in Miller he has shown flashes when healthy which he has not been much. Upgrading the RB position would be easier on day 2 than getting someone better than Olave and Shaheed on day 2.

I would go with Tet over Jeanty due to the fact that Jeanty would split snaps with AK and maybe Miller. Tet would play almost every snap and be the big contested pass catcher we have been missing since Thomas got hurt and was never the same. Plus if Tet becomes what I think he will we have him for 5 yrs on a rookie deal before he commands big $

This also plays into what kind of contract Olave wants when it's time to negotiate versus what the team is willing to pay for someone with his concussion history. I'm sure some desperate team would be willing to overpay him; I just hope it's not us.

Having a true #1 WR and Olave as a #2 WR may also benefit him in the long run.

I've always been a WR guy to the point, I posted that entire thread about how to potentially project what attributes, etc would predict WR performance in the NFL. I just bumped the thread to post the leaders from the 2024 season.

This year, I've been on the Jeanty train because the NFL is shifting back to a balanced/running league away from the pass dominated league of the last decade or more. I still think Jeanty is the best player/option in the draft, however T-Mac is a guy we should entertain at 9 IF he's there. I've started to shift my thoughts based on a couple things mentioned above, and my preference towards projecting WRs. WR 2nd contracts are coming in right behind QB contracts so hitting on a legit WR1 in the draft is important. After compiling the numbers from the 2024 season, out of the Top 10 WR Reception Leaders, 8 were drafted in the 1st Round. What's interesting is that 13/25 Top 25 WR Reception leaders were drafted in the 1st Round while 13/25 Top 25 WR Yards/Game Leaders were drafted in the 1st Round. The difference is 8/10 Top Reception Leaders were drafted in the 1st Round and 5/10 Yards/Game Leaders were drafted in the 1st Round. That tells me, you get your high volume WR1 in the 1st Round and you get your Big Play/Shot Play guy later in the the draft. The WR1 and Big Play guy, can be the same guy.

I pretty much have the PFN Mock Draft Simulator memorized for how a Jeanty at 1.9 draft goes, I'll start doing a few taking T-Mac at 1.9 if he's there and see how it falls.
Someone posted in a thread about adding enough weapons to make Olave the 4th option, essentially allowing him to operate in space. If we draft T-Mac and make he's WR1, I'd like to add additional weapons to allow Olave to be the guy operating in space to reduce some of the hits he takes.

My counter to my own thought process goes with the strengths theory about improving your strengths and mitigating/managing your weaknesses. One argument against drafting Jeanty is that we already have AK, Miller, and CEH. AK is going into his age 30 season, Miller and CEH haven't shown to stay healthy. So although we have 3-4 RBs if you consider Velus Jones Jr. a RB, then adding Jeanty may not make sense, but if you consider adding Jeanty now makes our strength even stronger, then it makes sense. The quickest way to become a team with an identity is to add Jeanty and we instantly become a force at RB with a 1-2 punch of Jeanty/AK with Miller mixed in as the direct backup to Jeanty and CEH/VJJr backups to AK.

 

[MikeyF]

How could Tetairoa McMillan's 40-yard dash impact the Saints chances to draft him?

Tetairoa McMillan helped his draft stock with a strong time in the 40-yard dash at his pro day. Does it make him likelier to be drafted by the Saints?

saintswire.usatoday.com

 

[MikeyF]

Someone will be there at 9 if Jeanty goes before.

It pushes someone else down and one of Tet/Warren and possibly even someone else will be there especially if 2 QBs go top 8. This doomsday scenario isn’t very realistic.

Carter
Ward
Sanders
Jeanty
Hunter
Graham
1 wildcard pick(there almost certainly will be one)

That’s 7 so that leaves:

Warren
Mcmillan
Johnson
Campbell

Edit: I could easily see a scenario where someone takes Campbell in the top 8 because he is still regarded highly.

Mike D said Warren to the Jets at 7...

He also said he didn't know what the Panthers would do in front of us since the signed so many D players in free agency.

 

[Bayou_City]

Well if Carr only throws 20 passes a game he can't be blamed for losing the game.. Ohh wait , what am I saying

I don't trust Carr to win a game with his arm throwing 25-30+ times.

We put Carr in that position he either gets hurt or we just won't win.

Carr gonna get the blame he gets because he cursed himself with bad mojo. DAT Chipotle event is bad mojo and he reeks of it.

IDC what any of these posters have to say about it.

We not winning a thing but the NFCS, and if we lose it, it's cause of Carr.

He jinxed us cause he never conditioned his kids to be open to new things like spice and flavor.