Is it me or is DA purging everything Sean from the team? (1 Viewer)

[St. Widge]

Moving away from one of the most prolific offenses ever seems like a bad idea until you realize that it doesn't work without the architect and the most important piece of that offense. That we even tried to run something even resembling that offense with their underlings was pretty arrogant. Sean could have possibly made something out of what we have without Drew, but Sean's backup and Drew's backup stood no chance. Especially under the leadership of someone like DA. I am glad that we're finally going to see what this team looks like under a new architect that will look at all of the pieces of the team with fresh eyes and ideas. If for nothing else but change for changes sake.

I'm sure that Payton instilled some of his arrogance into the front office and the coaching staff. And, frankly, even Payton struggled to run his offense without Brees in New Orleans and it's not looking great in Denver. Maybe that's because Russ is washed, but it may just be that there are only a few QBs who are good enough to run the offense properly and those a very hard to get.

 

[nakadish]

With all the coaches leaving in every off season, the purge is starting to look a little Stalinesque in it's efficiency. First the coaches, could players (Taysom, Latt, Kamara, MT, etc) be next?

It seems we are headed in a whole new direction offensively. Can we finally bury the ghost of Sean's system? I don't think any of us really know how this will turn out, but I think we can all agree a change was necessary.

Stallinesque is a bit of an exaggeration. The Payton offense has failed the last several years going back to before DA became HC. It was time for something new. But, I don't think the intent was to purge coaches from Sean's system. You just let the new OC pick his guys and this is the result.

 

[Elvis]

I'm sure that Payton instilled some of his arrogance into the front office and the coaching staff. And, frankly, even Payton struggled to run his offense without Brees in New Orleans and it's not looking great in Denver. Maybe that's because Russ is washed, but it may just be that there are only a few QBs who are good enough to run the offense properly and those a very hard to get.

The one season without Drew here was probably the most injury plagued season the team has ever had. Sean had to start 4 different QBs and the whole covid thing was a mess. I feel like he was adjusting pretty well with what plays he could call for the talent he had. With all that adversity, he still managed a 9-8 season. It may have been one of his finest coaching seasons ever honestly.

The Denver situation is a bit different in that he didn't have a great roster to begin with. His largest mistake was probably propping Russ up the way he did early, just to come to the same conclusion everyone else had by the end of the season. Even with that, the Broncos had their best season since 2016. So not a bad first year effort. Not the same as he got here in 2006, but at least trending the right direction.

I really miss Payton's arrogance because most of the time he backed it up and even when he didn't he was defiant about it. I think that gave the players a different kind of swagger than what we do now.

 

[St. Widge]

The one season without Drew here was probably the most injury plagued season the team has ever had. Sean had to start 4 different QBs and the whole covid thing was a mess. I feel like he was adjusting pretty well with what plays he could call for the talent he had. With all that adversity, he still managed a 9-8 season. It may have been one of his finest coaching seasons ever honestly.

The Denver situation is a bit different in that he didn't have a great roster to begin with. His largest mistake was probably propping Russ up the way he did early, just to come to the same conclusion everyone else had by the end of the season. Even with that, the Broncos had their best season since 2016. So not a bad first year effort. Not the same as he got here in 2006, but at least trending the right direction.

I really miss Payton's arrogance because most of the time he backed it up and even when he didn't he was defiant about it. I think that gave the players a different kind of swagger than what we do now.

Yeah, I don't disagree about Payton's last season probably being his best coaching job. I'm just saying that even guys like Bridgewater who did a nice job in relief of Brees didn't really set the world on fire in Payton's offense. And, none of our backups or starters since then have either. Carr probably did the best job of anyone since Brees and his season was still mediocre. I just think it's a complicated system that requires an amazing amount of accuracy, commitment to extra work, and anticipation for it to work the way it did with Brees. It can still work with a lesser QB like Carr, but it's never going to look like it did with a guy like Brees until you get a guy like Brees running it.

Anyway, I agree about Payton's swagger and arrogance. I think DA has some of the arrogance, but he totally lacks the swagger that Payton has and I think that may be his biggest weakness. It's probably a lot of why he can't relate to players like Lattimore, MT, and CJGJ. And you saw that swagger on the field under Payton. Of course, winning really helps a team gain swagger and it's incredibly difficult to have if you are having 3 consecutive 7 to 9 win seasons.

I do think it's possible to succeed as a HC without that swagger and arrogance since guys like Bill Walsh and Tom Landry did and you don't have to relate well to players or Bill Bellichick would be a complete failure. But, you have something else to offset that like great Xs and Os and a great staff around you and it's a lot easier if the HC starts off with swagger, arrogance, and personality like Payton.

 

[nakadish]

As he should.

As he should have some time ago.

I might be the only one, but I disagree with this. I think the 3 most important things to a championship team is a championship level QB and a championship level coordinators. The HC just needs to put those pieces together. Payton isn't a championship HC without a championship level DC. If you have a championship level coordinator, you don't let him out of the building. And DA can put together a championship level defense.

Yes, they took a step back on defense, but they lost some pieces that they have to rebuild to get back to that level. And they've been focusing on rebuilding an offense devoid of talent apart from Hill and Kamara that Payton left DA with. I expect the defense to start trending back to championship level again this year.

And I think now they have a potentially championship level OC. So, they have hopefully 2 of the 3 pieces for a championship team. If you move on from DA, then you're back to looking for a championship level DC and OC again. I don't think that moving on from DA would have the effect that most would think. The defense would definitely take dive in the rankings and wins along with it. Denver's defense dropped from 14th before Payton got there to 27th. I don't want to go back to having to score 40 on offense because the defense is giving up 30.

 

[0rion]

I'm still willing to give DA some time to get it figured out. He's making moves and we don't know if he might've been cuffed to those guys until now. Pete leaving is a huge plus IMO so I'm excited to see what a new OC gets us and I have faith in a DA defense. We have potential I think. Only one way to find out and that's another year.

 

[Elvis]

Yeah, I don't disagree about Payton's last season probably being his best coaching job. I'm just saying that even guys like Bridgewater who did a nice job in relief of Brees didn't really set the world on fire in Payton's offense. And, none of our backups or starters since then have either. Carr probably did the best job of anyone since Brees and his season was still mediocre. I just think it's a complicated system that requires an amazing amount of accuracy, commitment to extra work, and anticipation for it to work the way it did with Brees. It can still work with a lesser QB like Carr, but it's never going to look like it did with a guy like Brees until you get a guy like Brees running it.

Anyway, I agree about Payton's swagger and arrogance. I think DA has some of the arrogance, but he totally lacks the swagger that Payton has and I think that may be his biggest weakness. It's probably a lot of why he can't relate to players like Lattimore, MT, and CJGJ. And you saw that swagger on the field under Payton. Of course, winning really helps a team gain swagger and it's incredibly difficult to have if you are having 3 consecutive 7 to 9 win seasons.

I do think it's possible to succeed as a HC without that swagger and arrogance since guys like Bill Walsh and Tom Landry did and you don't have to relate well to players or Bill Bellichick would be a complete failure. But, you have something else to offset that like great Xs and Os and a great staff around you and it's a lot easier if the HC starts off with swagger, arrogance, and personality like Payton.

I think the years where Bridgewater and Taysom had to start some games was much more difficult to judge because the offense was still built around Drew and they just came in because of injury. The entire offense had already been installed for Drew and he was coming back so they couldn't have massive changes. When Drew retired, I think Sean was in the process of making Jameis the best version of Jameis he could be. He was calling plays that limited some of his biggest flaws and crawled up his behind when he reverted to his old ways. I've never been a fan of Jameis, but thought Sean was putting him in the best position. The next year, Jameis stood no chance because his personality dwarfed the coaches and they couldn't control him the same way Sean could. Lots of hindsight here, but I'm going to miss that era.

 

[Quiet Storm]

DA can't win with some. He's doing what needs to be done, our offense was outdated and we need a fresh mind and new look. If the guy stayed the course he would be crucified for that. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until further notice.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Moreover, there is no guarantee that a total rebuild works and you could end up with a bad team that makes no money for 10 years. That would likely end with the team moving.

no guarantee whatsoever

 

[44slayer]

This started with continuity.

He took over a team that he said was win now.

Then he lost.

Then it was a microwave society expecting wins now.

Then he needed a QB.

Then he couldnt win a weak division with a weak schedule.

Now the team isnt win now, so we need to purge the old regime that set him up to win then, but not now.

When will then be now?

Soon.

No one told us this was the Spaceballs script. Now it makes sense.

 

[44slayer]

DA can't win with some.

If we're being honest, he doesnt win 65.7% of the time. Thats a lot more than some.

 

[OldTimeGamer1966]

With all the coaches leaving in every off season, the purge is starting to look a little Stalinesque in it's efficiency. First the coaches, could players (Taysom, Latt, Kamara, MT, etc) be next?

It seems we are headed in a whole new direction offensively. Can we finally bury the ghost of Sean's system? I don't think any of us really know how this will turn out, but I think we can all agree a change was necessary.

It looks like it but he really should have started last year, I give him a pass on the 1st year. This is a crucial year for him but I have been saying this and still stand by my opinion that DA will at least stay for the full term of his contract.

 

[St. Widge]

I think the years where Bridgewater and Taysom had to start some games was much more difficult to judge because the offense was still built around Drew and they just came in because of injury. The entire offense had already been installed for Drew and he was coming back so they couldn't have massive changes. When Drew retired, I think Sean was in the process of making Jameis the best version of Jameis he could be. He was calling plays that limited some of his biggest flaws and crawled up his behind when he reverted to his old ways. I've never been a fan of Jameis, but thought Sean was putting him in the best position. The next year, Jameis stood no chance because his personality dwarfed the coaches and they couldn't control him the same way Sean could. Lots of hindsight here, but I'm going to miss that era.

I honestly looked at they way they used Winston as forcing a square peg in a round hole. They tried to fit him into the later version of the offense that Brees ran once his arm was shot and that just doesn't fit Winston. He doesn't have that accuracy or anticipation. Winston only looked good in the Payton offense when they were behind and forced to let him play more aggressive. Which, of course, has the downside of him making mistakes. It's the Jameis Winston experience, huge plays mixed with inexplicable interceptions.

But, like I said, I'm not sure many QBs can run the system the way Brees did. I thought that Winston could be trained to run it the way Brees ran it in the earlier years with deep shots to keep the defense honest and to get big chunks, but it never worked out because I think that Winston, and every other QB other than Brees, couldn't get down the accuracy and anticipation needed to run the base offense that set up those shot plays.

 

[los226]

The whole “maintain the culture that Payton built” without Payton himself was a ridiculous idea from the get go.

 

[Rexman100]

With all the coaches leaving in every off season, the purge is starting to look a little Stalinesque in it's efficiency. First the coaches, could players (Taysom, Latt, Kamara, MT, etc) be next?

It seems we are headed in a whole new direction offensively. Can we finally bury the ghost of Sean's system? I don't think any of us really know how this will turn out, but I think we can all agree a change was necessary.

i just re-watched the super bowl (thanks Barstool Nola) Seeing young Pete had me thinking the same thing. Speaking of DA needing to be more of a vocal leader and disciplinarian, Jim Caldwell was a rookie head coach in that super bowl, and he didn't have to have legendary half time speeches, and have to grab facemasks. But i can tell you one thing, Sean was in charge of that game, when i saw Mike Bell slip, I immediately thought, dude, you're in trouble now. (he slipped on a 4th down and goal run) causing us to give the ball back to PM. Luckily, we managed to get the ball back and Hartley nails a 45 yarder as time ticked off in the half. He was also terrified of missing. No one wanted to let SP down. And the second half of that game, no one did.