Is it me or is DA purging everything Sean from the team? (1 Viewer)

[Merl]

An offensive purge should have happened the minute Sean bolted.

.Should have been the year before

 

[NatureBoy]

.Should have been the year before

Absolutely!

 

[SuperSaint]

Two seasons too late.

Agreed, it's past time for a breath of freshness in the offense...

 

[liveoakh]

I am very happy we are moving on from SP's system.

I think that SP's system served the purpose based on the circumstance of having a HOF QB, and I certainly think SP himself would have DC playing at a higher level, however if the man himself isn't here to run the show, then we needed to move on.

The league has evolved significantly and I have felt for awhile now that we have been behind the curve, living on past glory of an antiquated way of doing things offensively.

Sean's system is still working for Sean in Denver, because Sean has control of offensive personnel. What ever edge we had w/ Sean, left the building with him.

There is a belief in eastern religions. That when we die, some stand over their bodies and try to get back in them. Rather than moving towards the light (enlightenment.) Because it is all they know and that gives them comfort. If they take to long to move towards the light, they are reborn and have to start over. Because they haven't learned their karmic lessons yet.

I believe this explains the Saints way of thinking about Sean over the last 2yrs. The Saints karmic lesson is, winning isn't transferable.

 

[sfidc3]

Doing those things short term when teams don't know what to expect is different from doing them for the long term when teams learn what you will do with that QB and how to attack you.

Would it make any difference if I said "Bridgewater played as a slightly above average game manager" when he had to starts in relief of Brees? Because the offense at it's best is a high scoring big play offense, not a dink and dunk traditional West Coast system run by a "game manager."

The point is that every QB other than Brees resulted in the offense being more dink and dunk than a big play offense. Payton was a good enough coach to win a lot of those games with that style, but it's not what the offense was meant to be and couldn't carry the team where they wanted to go.

And, I think the difference between the Payton system and the "Shanahan system" is that the Payton system puts it all on the QB to control everything and make all the plays where as the "Shanahan system" takes pressure off of the QB by giving him easier throws, receivers with mismatches, easier reads that don't require scanning the entire field, and by giving him information about the coverage with motion. It means that in a age where QBs change teams more than ever and so few college QBs come in prepared to run something as complex as Payton's system, can come in and immediately be competent in the system.

CSP was an absolute expert at adapting his system to the QB at hand....thus the 17-8 record, the rest of above is.....just noise to me.....

Purging everything including a winning team culture, accountability, killer instinct… everything must go

Yup, anyone who came away from that Loomis PC with a good feeling, well....I want some of what they are smoking.....that PC was a clown show....

 

[nakadish]

Sean's system is still working for Sean in Denver, because Sean has control of offensive personnel. What ever edge we had w/ Sean, left the building with him.

There is a belief in eastern religions. That when we die, some stand over their bodies and try to get back in them. Rather than moving towards the light (enlightenment.) Because it is all they know and that gives them comfort. If they take to long to move towards the light, they are reborn and have to start over. Because they haven't learned their karmic lessons yet.

I believe this explains the Saints way of thinking about Sean over the last 2yrs. The Saints karmic lesson is, winning isn't transferable.

But, didn't the Saints have a better offense and a better record than the Broncos? I'm not sure exactly what was working. Their offense wasn't very good. Payton is certainly a better play caller than Pete. But his offense became predictable long before he retired from the Saints.

 

[sfidc3]

But his offense became predictable long before he retired from the Saints.

I really don't get why folks keep parroting this line....before the 2021 season, no Brees, record number of injuries.....

2019 - 3rd in points scored (13-3 record)
2020 - 5th in points scored (12-4 record)

If that's offensive predictability then I want more of it.....

 

[Elvis]

But, didn't the Saints have a better offense and a better record than the Broncos? I'm not sure exactly what was working. Their offense wasn't very good. Payton is certainly a better play caller than Pete. But his offense became predictable long before he retired from the Saints.

In Payton's defense he took the 32nd rank team in points in 2022 to 19th in points in 2023. He also gave the Broncos their most wins since the 2016 season in his first season.

 

[St. Widge]

I really don't get why folks keep parroting this line....before the 2021 season, no Brees, record number of injuries.....

2019 - 3rd in points scored (13-3 record)
2020 - 5th in points scored (12-4 record)

If that's offensive predictability then I want more of it.....

2021 - 19th in points scored (9-8 record)

That's the year after Brees retired. And yes, they had a lot of injuries and Winston got hurt in week 8, but Winston and Hill were Payton's hand picked successors to Brees and clearly the offense was middle of the road at best. That was also the case in Denver this year as they were 20th in points scored per game this season.

Payton is a great coach. But even Payton with his amazing level of arrogance and swagger realized that sometimes things need a refresh. In fact, that is part of why he is a great coach. And, I think at this point, his offense needs a refresh after producing below average results even the last two years that Payton ran it. Not to mention the results for the two years that Carmichael ran it. In fact Carmichael had it running better than Payton this year.

 

[sfidc3]

2021 - 19th in points scored (9-8 record)

That's the year after Brees retired. And yes, they had a lot of injuries and Winston got hurt in week 8, but Winston and Hill were Payton's hand picked successors to Brees and clearly the offense was middle of the road at best. That was also the case in Denver this year as they were 20th in points scored per game this season.

Payton is a great coach. But even Payton with his amazing level of arrogance and swagger realized that sometimes things need a refresh. In fact, that is part of why he is a great coach. And, I think at this point, his offense needs a refresh after producing below average results even the last two years that Payton ran it. Not to mention the results for the two years that Carmichael ran it. In fact Carmichael had it running better than Payton this year.

The first paragraph is just....totally disingenuous.....a record number of injuries including 2 games (the first against Carolina where a ton of coaches and players missed the game entirely, the 2nd the Dolphins debacle of a game that should have been postponed) that were basically forfeits.....

CSP is a great coach, he's not perfect, none of them are.....the last 2 years CSP ran it? Did you totally ignore they were 5th in the league in scoring in 2020? In 2021 the offense needed more healthy players, that was one hell of a coaching job to get them to 9-8.....

His offense plays to the strength's of his best players, it always has.....

 

[dtc]

With all the coaches leaving in every off season, the purge is starting to look a little Stalinesque in it's efficiency. First the coaches, could players (Taysom, Latt, Kamara, MT, etc) be next?

It seems we are headed in a whole new direction offensively. Can we finally bury the ghost of Sean's system? I don't think any of us really know how this will turn out, but I think we can all agree a change was necessary.

Sean's system doesn't exist anymore not even in Denver.

 

[nakadish]

I really don't get why folks keep parroting this line....before the 2021 season, no Brees, record number of injuries.....

2019 - 3rd in points scored (13-3 record)
2020 - 5th in points scored (12-4 record)

If that's offensive predictability then I want more of it.....

It's funny what an all-time great QB can do for you. Maybe you don't remember all the, "my 7-year-old knew what they were going to run" comments. But, I do. I'm not saying that Payton isn't a good play caller. He is. But he's not what he used to be.

 

[liveoakh]

But, didn't the Saints have a better offense and a better record than the Broncos? I'm not sure exactly what was working. Their offense wasn't very good. Payton is certainly a better play caller than Pete. But his offense became predictable long before he retired from the Saints.

I'll tell you what was working, the 5 playoff teams they played w/ (KC 2x). They beat 4 of them, KC, GB, Bills and the BRNs. in Sean's 1st yr as head coach. Their offense was good enough to beat KC, GB, Bills and the BRNs.

Spoiler alert: In 5 seasons DA has never beat 4 playoff teams....................EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Trey W.]

When do we get to purge him? I think it's great; no more excuses for the career-losing coach.

I mean he was part of SP's regime, twice. So I guess he needs to purge himself

 

[sfidc3]

It's funny what an all-time great QB can do for you. Maybe you don't remember all the, "my 7-year-old knew what they were going to run" comments. But, I do. I'm not saying that Payton isn't a good play caller. He is. But he's not what he used to be.

My point is that he succeeded with multiple QB's, and had Jameis not got injured in 2021? I can guarantee we would have made the playoffs.....The beauty of CSP's offensive system is it's flexibility, he adapts it to feature the strengths of the QB....

I'll tell you what was working, the 5 playoff teams they played w/ (KC 2x). They beat 4 of them, KC, GB, Bills and the BRNs. in Sean's 1st yr as head coach. Their offense was good enough to beat KC, GB, Bills and the BRNs.

Spoiler alert: In 5 seasons DA has never beat 4 playoff teams....................EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Above.....all day long.....all the DA sunshine pumpers that try and downplay CSP's coaching acumen don't want to know this.....