Kellen Moore expected to be Saints coach (45 Viewers)

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Rexman100 said:
Well the problem in hiring Rizzi would be that we already lost 90% of the coaching staff. So he'd have to hire a new staff, which would be like Rizzi having a fair shot. Then there's the what if other teams poach your coordinators every year. Will Dan Campbell survive? remains to be seen, but suspect he will. I think we all know that he will. Hes got that electricty that people gravitate to. So does Rizzi.
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I don't think losing the rest of the staff hurts Rizzi. It wasn't his staff. And I don't think we need to worry about anyone poaching our coordinators anytime soon either. Yes, Rizzi has that loud barking style, but that isn't everything. All kinds of coaches have been successful and I'd argue that loud barking style guys are in the minority. We don't have to overcompensate just because DA was so weak. Just get a good leader that knows football.
 
Elvis said:
I don't think losing the rest of the staff hurts Rizzi. It wasn't his staff. And I don't think we need to worry about anyone poaching our coordinators anytime soon either. Yes, Rizzi has that loud barking style, but that isn't everything. All kinds of coaches have been successful and I'd argue that loud barking style guys are in the minority. We don't have to overcompensate just because DA was so weak. Just get a good leader that knows football.
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you're over simplifying it. Its not just volume. If you listened to Grupe, he talks of Rizzi being fully connected to the players as individuals and there's complete transparency. Players always know where they stand and because of that will play hard for the coach. Id suspect Campbell is the same way. With that said, its clear that Kellen Moore will be the coach, because if he wasn't then the Saints themselves would've announced it, and would've freed up KM from the grilling hes taking during a period where he needs to be locked in on the SuperBowl.
 
Rexman100 said:
you're over simplifying it. Its not just volume. If you listened to Grupe, he talks of Rizzi being fully connected to the players as individuals and there's complete transparency. Players always know where they stand and because of that will play hard for the coach. Id suspect Campbell is the same way. With that said, its clear that Kellen Moore will be the coach, because if he wasn't then the Saints themselves would've announced it, and would've freed up KM from the grilling hes taking during a period where he needs to be locked in on the SuperBowl.
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I’m with Elvis…time to phase-out the Sean Payton continuity era. I get the feeling players just want Rizzi in part because they like him and he’s a familiar face that they’re comfortable with.

I’ve said this before, but a part of me WANTS our players to not like the hire. Time for the group to start over with a clean slate with new, unfamiliar leadership.
 
Rizzi has a hard path.

He has to not only sell himself as being the right executive for the job, proving that he has the ability to evaluate talent, manage personalities, assemble a staff, develop his staff, show sound judgment under pressure as it relates to challenges, clock management, 4th down conversions, 2 point conversions, etc.

But then he also has to sell a plan for hiring the right offensive and defensive coordinators with schemes that the Saints brass believe in, without actually having any hard commitments from his preferred candidates that they would sign with us.

Moore has to answer all the same questions, but he has one great advantage in being able to guarantee himself as the offensive orchestrator. We’ve been talking at length about possible DCs that he is likely already recruiting, but who does Rizzi have for offense and defense?

I think Rizzi will end up a head coach in the NFL and he might very well end up a good one, but I’m not actually sure that this situation is in his best interest.
 
Rexman100 said:
you're over simplifying it. Its not just volume. If you listened to Grupe, he talks of Rizzi being fully connected to the players as individuals and there's complete transparency. Players always know where they stand and because of that will play hard for the coach. Id suspect Campbell is the same way. With that said, its clear that Kellen Moore will be the coach, because if he wasn't then the Saints themselves would've announced it, and would've freed up KM from the grilling hes taking during a period where he needs to be locked in on the SuperBowl.
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What you have described is exactly the kind of leadership that the players say Moore displays. He just doesn't yell and get mad like Rizzi. The problem with the Rizzi approach is that if you don't win, and win fast, players are going to tune out the yellers. Especially if they aren't able to explain why things aren't working and Rizzi can't do that on either side of the ball. He can only do that for special teams which doesn't address the issues of most of the good players you have on the team.

And how good Campbell is when he has to replace his OC and DC is yet to be seen. And I don't think it is the yelling and getting mad that works for Campbell. It's his connection with the players and the fact that he takes personal responsibility when things go wrong.
 
Rexman100 said:
you're over simplifying it. Its not just volume. If you listened to Grupe, he talks of Rizzi being fully connected to the players as individuals and there's complete transparency. Players always know where they stand and because of that will play hard for the coach. Id suspect Campbell is the same way. With that said, its clear that Kellen Moore will be the coach, because if he wasn't then the Saints themselves would've announced it, and would've freed up KM from the grilling hes taking during a period where he needs to be locked in on the SuperBowl.
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They didn't seem to playing that hard in the 2nd half of games. And the number of dumb penalties didn't seem to go down, either. Yes, he's louder than DA, and has a better relationship with the players than DA, but did the play actually get better for the 8 weeks that he was HC? I didn't see it. You'd expect at least a little better focus and attention to detail if he was the HC that the Saints need, and I didn't see that out of Rizzi. Which is disappointing because I like Rizzi and was hoping he would be the guy. But he just didn't have the results.
 
Rexman100 said:
Well the problem in hiring Rizzi would be that we already lost 90% of the coaching staff. So he'd have to hire a new staff, which would be like Rizzi having a fair shot. Then there's the what if other teams poach your coordinators every year. Will Dan Campbell survive? remains to be seen, but suspect he will. I think we all know that he will. Hes got that electricty that people gravitate to. So does Rizzi.
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I really think with Johnson and Glenn gone, especially Johnson, that Lions team will show it's true colors with Campbell. That "football guy" demeanor will only take you so far. Not a collapse, but a noticeable regression. I really don't know why so much value is put on whether or not the coach is, I dunno, emotional? One that yells a lot or whatever is inherently better than not?

Either way, we really wanna double down on hiring a HC from the staff we already have? We need something new, for better or worse. Things need to change around here.
 
St. Geezy said:
I’m with Elvis…time to phase-out the Sean Payton continuity era. I get the feeling players just want Rizzi in part because they like him and he’s a familiar face that they’re comfortable with.

I’ve said this before, but a part of me WANTS our players to not like the hire. Time for the group to start over with a clean slate with new, unfamiliar leadership.
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All of this. The players have gotten too comfortable with being mediocre. This team really needs someone coming in with a new set of eyes and no loyalties or friendships that might interfere with making tough decisions.
 
St. Geezy said:
I’m with Elvis…time to phase-out the Sean Payton continuity era. I get the feeling players just want Rizzi in part because they like him and he’s a familiar face that they’re comfortable with.

I’ve said this before, but a part of me WANTS our players to not like the hire. Time for the group to start over with a clean slate with new, unfamiliar leadership.
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I agree totally I like some of the things the team did under Rizzi and some of the things he did as a head coach. It is time for a change and fresh eyes to come in a make tough decisions like Sean did in 06. I almost lost when he traded Stallworth toward the end of preseason. He was a former first round pick coming off his best season and then you trade him. Everyone talks about the Gandy situation. So we need someone who can breathe life back into the team. I wanted the team to go after a young OC type and Moore is it. His dad was a long time high school coach. It is in his blood like the Harbaughs. I’m not saying he will be like them but give him a chance.
 
I hope the Eagles lose and Moore can come into our franchise with a bag of chips in his shoulder and the hunger of 15 carnal titans
 

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