Kellen Moore expected to be Saints coach [Feb 10 — Fletcher Mackel: mostly done deal; intro press conference to be later this week] (85 Viewers)

[Rexman100]

I really think with Johnson and Glenn gone, especially Johnson, that Lions team will show it's true colors with Campbell. That "football guy" demeanor will only take you so far. Not a collapse, but a noticeable regression. I really don't know why so much value is put on whether or not the coach is, I dunno, emotional? One that yells a lot or whatever is inherently better than not?

Either way, we really wanna double down on hiring a HC from the staff we already have? We need something new, for better or worse. Things need to change around here.

i disagree completely. AG and BJ got jobs on the back of Dan Campbell. Not the other way around. Detroit will win their division again next season.

 

[Elvis]

Exact same. I actually have a bit of excitement for the draft and free agency to see how Moore shapes this team and how Loomis supports him to redeem himself after one of the most bone headed head coaching hires in my lifetime

We also have to support him for what he DOESN'T do. If the team doesn't sign anyone of note, that is actually a good thing this year. If he doesn't keep a popular player, that is actually a good thing this year. If he doesn't take a popular prospect at 9 and trades back for more picks instead, that is actually a good thing this year. If some of his decisions seem questionable for the roster today but make a lot of sense for the cap, we should support him. If this off season, outside of the coaching hire, looks like a total disaster then he is probably doing the right thing for 2026 onward. I will be the one defending him for doing these things.

If he restructures Carr and kicks the can again to sign someone like Chase Young, I'll be on him like I have for the last couple of years.

 

[jboss]

i disagree completely. AG and BJ got jobs on the back of Dan Campbell. Not the other way around. Detroit will win their division again next season.

I disagree with your disagreement

 

[Rexman100]

What you have described is exactly the kind of leadership that the players say Moore displays. He just doesn't yell and get mad like Rizzi. The problem with the Rizzi approach is that if you don't win, and win fast, players are going to tune out the yellers. Especially if they aren't able to explain why things aren't working and Rizzi can't do that on either side of the ball. He can only do that for special teams which doesn't address the issues of most of the good players you have on the team.

And how good Campbell is when he has to replace his OC and DC is yet to be seen. And I don't think it is the yelling and getting mad that works for Campbell. It's his connection with the players and the fact that he takes personal responsibility when things go wrong.

i forgot to mention, that Grupe says he's (Rizzi) is really hard on you, but its for your best interest. I cant see Kellen being hard on anyone. Maybe he will be in 10 years when he's a fully grown up. I'm just saying, im on record with "I told you so" And another thing for those wanting to get away from Sean Payton. I cant disagree more, hes a great judge of character. A much better character judge than the limited info (me included) fans.

 

[Rexman100]

I disagree with your disagreement

No one even heard of Ben Johnson until Dan Campbell made him famous.

 

[Elvis]

i disagree completely. AG and BJ got jobs on the back of Dan Campbell. Not the other way around. Detroit will win their division again next season.

I think you're overvaluing the personality traits of coaches. Not that they can't be important, but it's not everything and not everyone with a certain personality trait is going to achieve the same success. Darren Rizzi is a good coach. Dan Campbell is a good coach. They are not the same people and there is no evidence that Rizzi would have any success at all as there wasn't before Campbell was hired by the Lions. I get that it's the gamble you believe is the right choice, but there aren't any other teams that are beating down the doors to talk to Rizzi for their HC. The Jets did a zoom meeting with him and that was it.

I get having a little bit of PTSD from DA, I have it a little bit too. But Kellen Moore is not DA anymore that Rizzi is Campbell. We have to let these guys be the individuals that they are. Moore by all accounts is a smart guy, who can design an offense, call plays, adjust to the roster he has and has the trust and respect of his players.

Darren Rizzi doesn't have all of those things. If he wants an HC job, he's going to have to branch out into offense or defense at a position less than coordinator and show he can do it. Even John Harbaugh had to move to being a defensive backs coach before being hired to be a head coach. Only two special teams coaches have ever been hired to be head coaches and both failed. Rizzi is a good guy, but he's not the guy we need.

 

[MikeyF]

 

[Mr. Coach Klein]

I think we’re making a huge mistake! Rizzi should be the next Saints head coach. The dude is still waiting around. Hire the man. Do the right thing. I don’t want to hear about OC play calling on an ALL PRO roster. This is the same situation as your child hood girlfriend that you know would be there for you, but you instead drop her for the hot popular chick that’s clueless. Rizzi is the guy.

Not sure if I should laugh, clown or slap myself.

 

[Mr. Coach Klein]

I agree with the posters who say it’s time to bite the bullet and rebuild. It’s not that the cupboard is bare, it’s not; but, the cash outlay in order to keep this team mildly competitive with a 9 or 10 win ceiling just puts us right back where we are all over again except with a just as bad or worse draft position. Hopefully their negotiations with the new head coach involve a longer term contract and a commitment to a long term plan. We need a basic 3 year plan of cleaning up the cap. Next year or the year after we have to draft a first round QB option (which means lose a lot of games this year). There is a way to rebuild and start seeing the fruits of that labor by year 3 but we certainly can’t do that if we just “run it back” with the same aging and under performing team that we have operated with the last 2 seasons.
I actually like Carr as a serviceable mid range QB - but I don’t like him as a 40-50 million dollar quarterback. Not on this team. It worked with everyone healthy for 2 games. Once McCoy went down in game 3 it became apparent that the salary cap had left us with little to no depth behind the front line players. We need to start over, besides having a healthy Carr almost guarantees 6 wins and we cannot build through the draft with a 6 or 7 win team.

Cap can be cleaned in 1 if you cut Carr and don't sign anyone more than vet min. It'll be an ugly season though. I'm for it.

 

[DSnfla]

I preached enough about Rizzi and I had my reasons for him being the ideal fit. So here's my counter-argument to Rizzi.


When Campbell was hired, and then proceeded to hire a bunch of former players on his staff there was an article written that expressed concerns that Campbell's unit was a bunch of meat heads leading meat heads and that he'd be hard pressed to win. He's proven those doubters wrong, but something about the way this year ended was a major let down. Then he had to watch his units get stripped of the OC/DC that helped him build the whole thing.

The thing about energetic fiery leaders, is that sometimes energy and fire isn't what the team needs. After so long that energy can get tuned out, because not every game needs a "rah rah" lets go bite some kneecaps type off approach. At some point, some of those games will require a bit of cerebral thinking and no amount of grit or toughness is going to help in those scenarios.

In a way we saw it at the end of the season...the Rizz started to wear off down the stretch. The passionate approach wasn't enough to get them over the hump and I think that's an inherent truth about those types of leaders.....the flame sometimes flames out because the fuel gets depleted.

I'll say this again. Campbell is the Ogeron of the NFL. HIs best coordinator he didn't hire, Johnson was already on the team when he got there. He did have the smarts to promote him. The Lions had 20 top 100 draft picks over the last 5 yrs , including a #2#3 and a #7. And Holmes drafted well. Along with getting Goff in the Stafford trade . It's much easier to be a HC that is not an X's and O's guy with that kind of capitol and a great OC and a good DC

 

[DSnfla]

i disagree completely. AG and BJ got jobs on the back of Dan Campbell. Not the other way around. Detroit will win their division again next season.

While I agree with you a lot of the time I in no way can go along with this one. Campbell is the Ogeron of the NFL. HIs best coordinator he didn't hire, Johnson was already on the team when he got there. He did have the smarts to promote him. The Lions had 20 top 100 draft picks over the last 5 yrs , including a #2#3 and a #7. And Holmes drafted well. Along with getting Goff in the Stafford trade . It's much easier to be a HC that is not an X's and O's guy with that kind of capital and a great OC and a good DC

 

[DSnfla]

No one even heard of Ben Johnson until Dan Campbell made him famous.

Campbell was headed down the road to ruin until Johnson salvaged Goff from the trash pile and Holmes made the deal for Stafford and got a boat load of high picks

Your affinity for these rah rah yelling emotional type HC is blinding you from the facts

 

[Rexman100]

Campbell was headed down the road to ruin until Johnson salvaged Goff from the trash pile and Holmes made the deal for Stafford and got a boat load of high picks

Your affinity for these rah rah yelling emotional type HC is blinding you from the facts

Well he must’ve fooled 100% of the Detroit fans as well.

 

[Rexman100]

While I agree with you a lot of the time I in no way can go along with this one. Campbell is the Ogeron of the NFL. HIs best coordinator he didn't hire, Johnson was already on the team when he got there. He did have the smarts to promote him. The Lions had 20 top 100 draft picks over the last 5 yrs , including a #2#3 and a #7. And Holmes drafted well. Along with getting Goff in the Stafford trade . It's much easier to be a HC that is not an X's and O's guy with that kind of capital and a great OC and a good DC

Yea I agree Dan Campbell had a ton of help, with draft picks especially, But I think his style is onto something. This debate will be solved this year, if he can keep the ship moving ahead having to hire new coordinators

 

[Rexman100]

Not sure if I should laugh, clown or slap myself.

Probably slap me. I just think our front office has a tendency to underestimate our own talent and coaches. This seems like another one of those instances. And I’m tired of the Saints bleeding coaches to Sean Payton. Regardless, I know we’re moving on, but I just thought I’d say something for Rizzi.