Kellen Moore expected to be Saints coach (88 Viewers)

[St. Geezy]

I think you live in a world that thinks teams expect UDFAs that were picked up midseason to contribute right away. Sean saw enough potential to bring him in. AT wasn't polished, but he showed a lot more potential on the field when given the opportunity for the Saints than Cedrick Wilson ever did. The fact is that we haven't developed a player of any note since Sean left. And when your team isn't good, that's something you have to do. They gave up on him prematurely considering the lack of production of who was in front of him.

If we are being honest, Perry’s value to SP has more to do with him having experience in our system and him being an available body that could potentially be ready to play in a pinch if needed than anything else.

This is obviously conjecture on my part, but I’d like to think that Pete Carmichael, who is on that Denver staff, may have even given SP the recommendation.

 

[Elvis]

Shaheed is a much better route runner now than he was coming out of college.

He's our speed guy mostly. It's not like he has some crazy route tree. On most teams he's a WR3. And that's not a knock on him. Good for him for taking advantage of his opportunities because we sure needed him. But we need a WR4 too because we have no WR1 and WR2 has an oft injured brain. None of the other guys had shown anything at all at the time Perry was cut. I do see similar potential for Bub Means though so maybe he can be our WR4. He was showing up a bit with Rattler before he got hurt.

 

[St. Widge]

Bolded is his legacy here, though.

No doubt. I'm just not sure the expectations were realistic for a 3rd round pick. And I think it was because after Cooks, Payton just wouldn't spend high picks on WRs outside of MT in the 2nd so we had such a mediocre WR group. The result was that fans expected every mid-to-late round pick or UDFA to turn into Colston or Lance Moore.

 

[St. Widge]

He's our speed guy mostly. It's not like he has some crazy route tree. On most teams he's a WR3. And that's not a knock on him. Good for him for taking advantage of his opportunities because we sure needed him. But we need a WR4 too because we have no WR1 and WR2 has an oft injured brain. None of the other guys had shown anything at all at the time Perry was cut. I do see similar potential for Bub Means though so maybe he can be out WR4. He was showing up a bit with Rattler before he got hurt.

It's not a crazy route tree, but it's more than he could run coming out of college and he has became much better timing when to break on the post route in order to split two high safeties. But, sure, in an ideal world, Shaheed is WR 3.

But I think Means is already a much better WR than Perry is ever going to be. Maybe in the new system Perry would have been useful but in the scheme Kubiak ran, with so many 12 personnel, we seldom had more than one WR on the field and those receiver have to been very good route runners for the Shanahan/Kubiak system to work. That just isn't Perry's game. I mean, Perry got beat out by a rookie 5th round pick and an UDFA that didn't even play in preseason. Maybe he was just in DA's dog house like Miller, but nobody claiming him after he was cut tells me a lot. And frankly, if Moore, or whoever the new HC is, likes Perry they can probably claim him on waivers after Denver cuts him to put him on the PS or sign him once he is on the PS.

And the most important thing is that if he can't learn the plays and runs wrong routes, you can't put him on the field in any system. That was the case last year.

Anyway, the apparent reason for cutting Perry was to try to put him on the PS because they needed roster spots due to all the injuries. Maybe that was a mistake by DA, but there were not a lot of options at the time. And then Perry refused to sign to our PS, choosing to go to Denver. I don't really think it's a big loss because I think Means is better and we are starting over anyway. But I could be wrong and maybe Perry develops into something. But, I just don't see it.

 

[Mr. Coach Klein]

you guys and me too can be too critical of the players. He’s not picking the head coach, he’s reminding people that there is already a strong winning culture. He said that even in the tough times, the leaders were leading and no one was blaming one another. I think this culture should be protected and preserved. Instead of gutting the team. Rizzi could do that. But we know it’s not going to happen.

I’m not sure how “on the cusp” we really are, but if we do have some injury breaks go our way, even with a limited roster, the culture is strong enough to succeed.

We're on the cusp of making playoffs and getting an upset in a wild card matchup. We're not on the cusp of competing. Our best players are over 30, most over 35, we have the worst cap situation and our 'winning culture' disappeared with SP. I'm not being tough on Demario, I really like him. We just need to get an actual coach and let them build for 3 years at least before we start evaluating.

Rizzi to me just seems like kicking the can again or postponing the hire 1 year.

 

[rail]

Definitely here for the presumed new coach news.

 

[St. Geezy]

We're on the cusp of making playoffs and getting an upset in a wild card matchup. We're not on the cusp of competing.

If you are in the divisional round in this league, you are competing.

This “Must be a 14-3/15-2 juggernaut competing for HFA or you’re a failure” mindset has got to go.

Our fanbase is poisoned and spoiled if we are turning our noses up on making it to the Divisional round.

Becoming a perennial, consistent round 2 team is the goal, winning the Super Bowl is the dream.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

This place has a weird woody for AT Perry. He can't crack the Broncos active roster, and is behind the depth chart to former Saint lil' Jordan Humpheries, who a lot of the same posters that love Perry so much, criticized. He also is behind 27 year old rookie Devaugh Vele, a 7th round pick.

If AT Perry is so great, why is he still on a practice squad?

Ya. I can't see it. Whenever we saw him in a game or heard about him in practice, he was excelling. So what exactly is it that's causing him to remain on the practice squad? What is it, even well knowledged football people aren't seeing? It's something. Otherwise we're saying one of the best offensive minded coaches (Payton) in the NFL is making a mistake. Which is certianly possible. But we let Perry go entirely, which when putting both scenarios together is forming a trend.

There's just something we don't know and haven't seen.

 

[St. Geezy]

Ya. I can't see it. Whenever we saw him in a game or heard about him in practice, he was excelling.

Because this is the only exposure you have of him and you don’t have exposure outside of the plays he makes nor knowledge of his job on every single rep.

What if after games he’s the guy in the film room getting yelled at on every single play he’s in? What if he’s the guy that caused a sack on a play or caused a play to break down because he couldn’t get off a jam or ran 12 yards before cutting instead of 15? What if a running play could have been a 30 yard gain if he didn’t completely whiff on a crack-back on the MLB? What if he gets fatigued easily and tends to take plays off when he’s not involved?

There’s just so much more to playing WR than looking good catching passes.

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

I look forward to fresh eyes looking at the talent of this team. I think our coaches have been trying to put square pegs into round holes.

 

[St. Widge]

Ya. I can't see it. Whenever we saw him in a game or heard about him in practice, he was excelling. So what exactly is it that's causing him to remain on the practice squad?

Reports were always that he was struggling in practice, especially this year. It was a surprise when he flashed in a few games last year and it moved expectation to an unreasonable level. And most of the plays he made were broken plays, not plays where he ran a route and beat his man. There is a place for that on a team, but it's behind the guys who know the plays, run good routes, and play special teams.

He got cut because he could not learn the offense and was running wrong routes in practice. And the Saints needed roster spots because of all the injuries and he was the bottom guy on the 53 who did not play a snap of special teams. Hard to keep that guy on your roster when he does not play special teams and those are the reasons no teams claimed him on waivers.

Payton put him on his PS because he has experience in his system and he loves tall project WRs. And he picked him up like 8 days before we played the Broncos so some of it was probably to get inside info on the Saints new offense which is something Payton often did when he was here. He stuck around because like I said, Payton loves tall project WRs.

 

[BBarnes]

i know. but one is tested and has the trait, one is not tested and doesnt have the trait. Its pretty simple that we're gambling heavy. Another thing, when you go the route of a first timer, expect a longer recovery time. W/ Mike or Rizzi, we could've been recovered as soon as 2025. Sean is just waiting to poach him.

Rizzi has a leadership trait, it takes way more than that to be a winning head coach and to rebuild an organization. He’s perfect in a special teams coordinator role and we will never see him as a full time HC in the league.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Rizzi has a leadership trait, it takes way more than that to be a winning head coach and to rebuild an organization. He’s perfect in a special teams coordinator role and we will never see him as a full time HC in the league.

Never say never. I just think if we do, in his best season's will be a .500 coach.

 

[Thunderchild]

TQS was a blocking Wr. that was always injured

FIFY

 

[Thunderchild]

I will never get the fascination with AT Perry.

Nor do I, but I suspect it is his "potential". A potential that he seems unlikely, imo, to ever reach. He flashes, but never consistent.