N/S Kirk Cousins May Be More Hurt Than Thought (1 Viewer)

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Things we knew about Atlanta before the draft: their defensive front seven is terrible. Their offensive line needs a lot of help. They desperately need a real threat at Wide Receiver.

Players available when it was Atlanta's turn to pick:

Rome Odunze - WR
Brian Thomas - WR
Xavier Worthy - WR
Olumuyiwa Fashanu - OL
Taliese Fuaga - OL
Brock Bowers - TE
Laiatu Latu - DL
Byron Murphy - DL
Jared Verse - DL
Dallas Turner - LB

The only way it makes sense for them to pick a QB is they found out something was wrong with Cousins recovery. The Achilles is a very serious injury, often career altering injury and it happened to his right foot; the plant and pivot foot for a right handed thrower. Rodgers' Achilles injury was to his left foot, which while still important is nowhere near as vital as the right for right handed throwing mechanics.

Atlanta dumped a ton of money into a 35 year old injured QB and then turned around and spent #8 overall on a project QB. Fontenot's spent a ton of money on a subpar roster for a coach who... checks notes... has a career .350 win percentage which is worse than Dennis Allen.

Simply incredible.
 
BreesusSaves said:
Things we knew about Atlanta before the draft: their defensive front seven is terrible. Their offensive line needs a lot of help. They desperately need a real threat at Wide Receiver.

Players available when it was Atlanta's turn to pick:

Rome Odunze - WR
Brian Thomas - WR
Xavier Worthy - WR
Olumuyiwa Fashanu - OL
Taliese Fuaga - OL
Brock Bowers - TE
Laiatu Latu - DL
Byron Murphy - DL
Jared Verse - DL
Dallas Turner - LB

The only way it makes sense for them to pick a QB is they found out something was wrong with Cousins recovery. The Achilles is a very serious injury, often career altering injury and it happened to his right foot; the plant and pivot foot for a right handed thrower. Rodgers' Achilles injury was to his left foot, which while still important is nowhere near as vital as the right for right handed throwing mechanics.

Atlanta dumped a ton of money into a 35 year old injured QB and then turned around and spent #8 overall on a project QB. Fontenot's spent a ton of money on a subpar roster for a coach who... checks notes... has a career .350 win percentage which is worse than Dennis Allen.

Simply incredible.
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And despite all that there were people on here saying that Atlanta was going to walk away with the Division. They should be in it with the Saints and Bucs, but if Cousins' is not healthy, they could easily be bad again because they have no defense and no proven threat at WR.
 
Cousins definitely looks 55% healed. His drop backs came off like mini camp offensive drills, where the QB lightly skips back a few steps and tosses a few RB checkdowns. I like Kirk as a person. I don’t ever root for athletes to be injured. That said I won’t shed a single tear if his recovery is protracted & drags that trash franchise into the toilet.

Side note: I’m confused by the “he’s not throwing off his back foot” takes. For years, I heard top QB’s and QB gurus preach that QB’s are supposed to throw off their front foot to generate force and help complete accurate passes.

While I do see he can’t muster much power into his throws, it’s not solely because of his back foot. It seems he can’t transfer the force from his back foot to his front one, to get off strong throws.
 
breesgirl said:
Cousins definitely looks 55% healed. His drop backs came off like mini camp offensive drills, where the QB lightly skips back a few steps and tosses a few RB checkdowns. I like Kirk as a person. I don’t ever root for athletes to be injured. That said I won’t shed a single tear if his recovery is protracted & drags that trash franchise into the toilet.

Side note: I’m confused by the “he’s not throwing off his back foot” takes. For years, I heard top QB’s and QB gurus preach that QB’s are supposed to throw off their front foot to generate force and help complete accurate passes.

While I do see he can’t muster much power into his throws, it’s not solely because of his back foot. It seems he can’t transfer the force from his back foot to his front one, to get off strong throws.
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It's not that you are supposed to throw off of your back foot, it's that you are supposed to plant your back foot to generate power as the ball comes forward. The release is on the front foot. Cousins does not appear to be planting his back foot which will make it hard to generate enough power on throws.
 
breesgirl said:
Cousins definitely looks 55% healed. His drop backs came off like mini camp offensive drills, where the QB lightly skips back a few steps and tosses a few RB checkdowns. I like Kirk as a person. I don’t ever root for athletes to be injured. That said I won’t shed a single tear if his recovery is protracted & drags that trash franchise into the toilet.

Side note: I’m confused by the “he’s not throwing off his back foot” takes. For years, I heard top QB’s and QB gurus preach that QB’s are supposed to throw off their front foot to generate force and help complete accurate passes.

While I do see he can’t muster much power into his throws, it’s not solely because of his back foot. It seems he can’t transfer the force from his back foot to his front one, to get off strong throws.
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What do you mean he's not lifting his back foot? He's literally lifting his plant foot as he throws. I've heard Brees say the power generated to throw the ball starts from the ground up, so if you're lifting a foot, you're probably not generating the right amount of power. That also means it doesn't move from plant foot to front foot, it goes ground up. Also, hips are important too. Remember when Brees had the oblique injury? It affected his passing motion which in turn affected his throws. Now I did see that Cousins apparently always lifted his right foot as he throws, but if you just watch some of his plays you'll see he clearly is still injured. That or he just was always trash and he somehow masked it which I doubt.
 
Scorpius the Allfather said:
That stopped being true awhile ago. I'm not worried about backup QB's this year.
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I hope the Allfather is correct. I think the most recent was vs. Carolina backup last year (2nd match up)? Not sure, but I do remember Saints winning the last. But if my memories serves me well, the record probably isn't above .500.
 
BreesIsMyFather said:
I hope the Allfather is correct. I think the most recent was vs. Carolina backup last year (2nd match up)? Not sure, but I do remember Saints winning the last. But if my memories serves me well, the record probably isn't above .500.
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Well I'm not counting the last two years with DA. It might've started in 2017, but we stopped automatically losing to backup QB's. Besides, who are we even talking about here? Atlanta? Our next game is Dak, so I'm not sure who you are worrying about.
 
Scorpius the Allfather said:
That stopped being true awhile ago. I'm not worried about backup QB's this year.
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This raises a few eyebrows.🤨🤨

The Saints let Josh Dobbs run wild last year with less than a week in the system for Minny after Kirk Cousins was injured the week prior.

These are the possibilities as of today of the backups the Saints could face in 2024.

DAL - Cooper Rush, Trey Lance

PHI - Kenny Pickett, Tanner McKee, Will Grier (PS)

ATL - Michael Penix, Jr., Nathan Peterman (PS)

KC - Carson Wentz, Bailey Zappe (PS)

TB - Kyle Trask

DEN - Jarret Stidham, Zach Wilson

LAC - Easton Stick, Taylor Heinicke

CAR - Andy Dalton, Jake Plummer (PS)

ATL - Michael Penix, Jr., Nathan Peterman (PS)

CLE - Jameis Winston, Dorian Robinson-Thompson

LAR - Stetson Bennett, Jimmy Garoppolo (R/S)

NYG - Drew Lock, Tommy DeVitto

WAS - Jeff Driskel, Sam Hartman, Marcus Mariota (IR)

GB - Malik Willis, Sean Clifford (PS)

LV - Asian O'Connell, Carter Bradley (PS)

TB - Kyle Trask
 
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