N/S Kirk Cousins May Be More Hurt Than Thought (1 Viewer)

[B4YOU]

But if you just signed a 35 year-old QB with $100 million guaranteed, you should be building a win now team around him so you should use all those picks they used to trade up for Penix to build around Cousins. It would have made more sense for them to either build their defense or get Cousins a WR with those picks. Trading up to #9 to take a young QB does not fit with a win now plan that they committed to when they signed Cousins and guaranteed him $100 million.

You either go all in on the Young QB or you try to fix your incomplete win now team. Trying to do both at the same time doesn't make sense because you aren't all in on either the present or the future and each will suffer by trying to do both.

And I don't get taking a QB you think is going to take 2 years to develop after trading up for the #9 pick. If he falls to your pick, sure, but not if you have to trade up to get him. And that's ignoring the fact that I think McCarthy and Nix, who were still on the board when they took Penix, have a better chance to be star QBs in the NFL.

Atlanta didn’t trade up. They earned that #8 pick for Penix.

They are in “win now mode” with 3 skill players in rookie deals and signing Simmons, Judon, and Cousins.

They are future proofing their team taking Penix because they will need to pay those 3 skills players in two years. They don’t expect a better opportunity to sign a rookie QB over these next two years.

 

[St. Geezy]

But if you just signed a 35 year-old QB with $100 million guaranteed, you should be building a win now team around him so you should use all those picks they used to trade up for Penix to build around Cousins. It would have made more sense for them to either build their defense or get Cousins a WR with those picks. Trading up to #9 to take a young QB does not fit with a win now plan that they committed to when they signed Cousins and guaranteed him $100 million.

You either go all in on the Young QB or you try to fix your incomplete win now team. Trying to do both at the same time doesn't make sense because you aren't all in on either the present or the future and each will suffer by trying to do both.

And I don't get taking a QB you think is going to take 2 years to develop after trading up for the #9 pick. If he falls to your pick, sure, but not if you have to trade up to get him. And that's ignoring the fact that I think McCarthy and Nix, who were still on the board when they took Penix, have a better chance to be star QBs in the NFL.

I felt the same way. If you’re Atlanta, once you sign a QB to a contract like that, you go all-in on surrounding him. You’re officially in win-now mode at that stage.

If you want to take a flyer on a development QB in like round 4 or 5, maybe even round 3 if someone you absolutely love fell, go for it, kind of like we did with Rattler.

But a top 10 pick is prime real estate, and you use it to get yourself a playmaker to continue your win-now path.

The only way what they did makes sense is if they learned at some point prior to the draft that Kirk had a setback or wasn’t going to fully recover enough to play anytime soon if ever, but that doesn’t seem to be the indication here.

 

[St. Geezy]

Atlanta didn’t trade up. They earned that #8 pick for Penix.

They are in “win now mode” with 3 skill players in rookie deals and signing Simmons, Judon, and Cousins.

They are future proofing their team taking Penix because they will need to pay those 3 skills players in two years. They don’t expect a better opportunity to sign a rookie QB over these next two years.

Terry “future-proofing” by not getting his prized free agent QB another weapon at the top of the draft could result in him not being a part of that future.

I think he outsmarted himself on this one. Plus it’s not like Penix was some can’t miss, spectacular Michael Vick-like prospect that fell.

 

[Bill]

Here are some reasons ATL signed Cousins:

• Rookies don’t win SBs

True, but neither do the Falcons.

 

[St. Widge]

Atlanta didn’t trade up. They earned that #8 pick for Penix.

They are in “win now mode” with 3 skill players in rookie deals and signing Simmons, Judon, and Cousins.

They are future proofing their team taking Penix because they will need to pay those 3 skills players in two years. They don’t expect a better opportunity to sign a rookie QB over these next two years.

You're right about the #8 pick. I though they traded up but I was wrong.

But, we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this. I just don't think it makes sense to give Cousins that deal and then draft a young QB at #9 when you don't already have a complete team around Cousins. They need a lot of help on defense, pass rusher specifically, and they don't have any proven offensive weapons outside of Robinson. They could have addressed at least one of those needs at #8 in a big way or traded down to add more pieces. Each deal in isolation makes sense, but not doing both of them in the same offseason.

 

[platinumvinnyv]

But if you just signed a 35 year-old QB with $100 million guaranteed, you should be building a win now team around him so you should use all those picks they used to trade up for Penix to build around Cousins. It would have made more sense for them to either build their defense or get Cousins a WR with those picks. Trading up to #9 to take a young QB does not fit with a win now plan that they committed to when they signed Cousins and guaranteed him $100 million.

You either go all in on the Young QB or you try to fix your incomplete win now team. Trying to do both at the same time doesn't make sense because you aren't all in on either the present or the future and each will suffer by trying to do both.

And I don't get taking a QB you think is going to take 2 years to develop after trading up for the #9 pick. If he falls to your pick, sure, but not if you have to trade up to get him. And that's ignoring the fact that I think McCarthy and Nix, who were still on the board when they took Penix, have a better chance to be star QBs in the NFL.

I understand what you saying but I dont think their trying to win now, I personally feel they are giving the illusion for business sake and not football. This is my opinion it may be wrong but they are trying keep the seats from being empty and remaining semi. We joke about their fans being low already but if they didnt make a splash in QB fans were not touching that stadium after Ridder and Cousins contract seems structure to be replace in 2 years. There is nothing wrong with your logic I agree but I honestly think Falcons are really playing the long game but trying keep their revenue flow until they can build a contender. Thats my opinion

 

[superchuck500]

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

All quick, short passes. He never got out of the pocket. Barely moved in the pocket.

Is it normal to lift your right foot as you throw the ball?

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

I thought the Penix pick was smart. It takes 3 years to groom a QB and the transition from Cousins contract to Penix taking the reigns seemed to make a wierd sort of sense with a year of overlap.

Signing an injured 36 year old Cousins to a 4 year mega contract... not a lot of sense IMHO.

Now I might have went with a different QB given Penix's age and injury history, but they have all the medical reports they must have thought it was a reasonable risk.

No, there was nothing smart about it. You don't sign a guy to that type of contract and then immediately draft his replacement. If you're getting the replacement, then don't sign the QB with an achilles injury. They should've used their 1st on someone to help Cousins out, not his successor.

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

Except they guaranteed Cousins $100 million so they will not be able to take advantage of the salary cap benefit of a young QB or use that money to help build the team around Penix.

The Cousins' contract makes sense for them if they don't then use a bunch of picks to take Penix at #9.

And, if you think Penix is going to be a great QB, trading up to take him at #9 makes sense if you didn't just give a $100 million in guaranteed money to 35 (36?) year-old QB.

Each deal makes some sense separately, but they don't make sense together unless they found out that Cousins was not going to recover only after they signed him to the contract.

And frankly, #9 was way too high to take Penix. I honestly think his ceiling is Derek Carr before this year, and he may never even be that.

It's possible the Cousins situation with them is their somewhat close version of Nick Fairely. We signed him to a mega contract and then he retires.

 

[J.T.]

Is it normal to lift your right foot as you throw the ball?

I looked at some video of Cousins from past years. He has a strange throwing stance. He often lifts his back foot while throwing. I think he has a pretty good bit of natural arm strength, so he doesn't need that strong back foot like somebody like Brees, who had a somewhat weaker arm. The biggest thing with Cousins now is his lack of mobility and agility. It is likely that he's nowhere near 100% physically and he might never be, but he's either not comfortable back peddling from center or the Falcons don't think he has the confidence yet to do it. It will be interesting to see if this trend continues or if their game plan against Pittsburgh was to not take many direct center snaps.

 

[wwepatriot]

Terry “future-proofing” by not getting his prized free agent QB another weapon at the top of the draft could result in him not being a part of that future.

I think he outsmarted himself on this one. Plus it’s not like Penix was some can’t miss, spectacular Michael Vick-like prospect that fell.

Originally the plan I thought for Penix was because of Cousins. If that makes sense, between the possibility of not playing or not playing because of injury. But if Penix is a project and doesnt pan out, then its wasted pick. Might be why they forced to start Cousins or had to start Cousins because they paying him 100m.

 

[porculator]

Falcons really screwed the pooch with this one.

Having a 36 yr old injured $180m starter, and a backup who is also supposed to be your QB of the future is the worst possible arrangement.

If Cousins sits, there are only 3 things that can happen.
1. Penix sucks because he was rushed, and he is ruined
2. Penix plays OK and you have a QB controversy when Cousins is back, so now you're playing mindgames with your rookie QB
3. Penix plays great and you wasted half your salary cap on Cousins

 

[longtime lurker]

Kirk Cousins's surgically-repaired leg is raising concerns

From pre-snap to post-snap, Cousins seems to be protecting his right leg.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

Alontae Taylor, come on down !!