"Make it, take it" rule in effect tomorrow at Probowl as a test. (Onside kick alternative) (1 Viewer)

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Should be interesting to see if it is even put into action by a team.


"Team A may elect to give Team B the ball at Team B’s 25-yard line, beginning a new series of downs with a first-and-10.

"Or, Team A may elect to take the ball at its own 25-yard line for a fourth-and-15 play.

"If Team A is successful in making a first down, Team A will maintain possession and a new series of downs will continue as normal.

"If Team A is unsuccessful in making a first down, the result will be a turnover on downs and Team B will take possession at the dead ball spot."
 
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Not if you're playing against us. 4th and 15? We'd never stop that.
You're not kidding. No matter how good this team is, no matter how well the defense is playing, the other team will always convert 4th and 15 100% of the time against us. I would never bet on us to stop a 4th a 15, no matter the opponent or the situation.
 

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You're not kidding. No matter how good this team is, no matter how well the defense is playing, the other team will always convert 4th and 15 100% of the time against us. I would never bet on us to stop a 4th a 15, no matter the opponent or the situation.
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Rule needs to be worded in such a way that a team must gain 15 yards by themselves. Any penalty results in a replay that 4th down. That would take away the DPI past 15 yards and limit any confusion about maybe a 5 yard defensive holding penalty. That should not count the same as gaining 15 yards which is what I think they are aiming for.
 

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Rule needs to be worded in such a way that a team must gain 15 yards by themselves. Any penalty results in a replay that 4th down. That would take away the DPI past 15 yards and limit any confusion about maybe a 5 yard defensive holding penalty. That should not count the same as gaining 15 yards which is what I think they are aiming for.
I've always thought the automatic first down for defensive holding was a bad rule honestly. If it's that egregious than just call it as DPI (it's pretty much only called on players who are running routes anyway). If it's not that egregious than 5 yards is enough.

I don't necessarily hate this rule yet though, onside kicks are so few and far between and are even more rarely recovered I think exploring a new avenue for a team to get the ball back is probably a good idea.
 
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I've always thought the automatic first down for defensive holding was a bad rule honestly. If it's that egregious than just call it as DPI (it's pretty much only called on players who are running routes anyway). If it's not that egregious than 5 yards is enough.

I don't necessarily hate this rule yet though, onside kicks are so few and far between and are even more rarely recovered I think exploring a new avenue for a team to get the ball back is probably a good idea.
Could potentially swing a game either way. Say the defense does get the 4th and 15 stop. Then that team is already in FG range and could score a TD most likely
 

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I do see your point. Maybe having it at the 25 is a bit too risky unless you really have faith in your offense but there needs to be a significant risk to it otherwise it would just make too much sense to try it more often than not, especially if you really trusted your defense. I could see the logic in moving it maybe 10 yards forward so if the D gets the stop they're offense is not automatically in the redzone.
 
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I do see your point. Maybe having it at the 25 is a bit too risky unless you really have faith in your offense but there needs to be a significant risk to it otherwise it would just make too much sense to try it more often than not, especially if you really trusted your defense. I could see the logic in moving it maybe 10 yards forward so if the D gets the stop they're offense is not automatically in the redzone.
I was gonna watch the game tomorrow regardless but now this has me even more intrigued. I hope we get to see it in action a couple of times.
 

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The NFL has routinely made rule alterations over the past decades, many of them leading to their current success. If they can implement others that increase player safety as well, why not do it?
That's a fine concept, but this is a terrible rule.

It's potentially awarding a precious extra possession to a team for being good at one thing (passing offense) or potentially taking a precious possession away from another team for being poor at one thing (passing defense).

It's alarming to me that they are even toying with this idea. It sounds like something kindergartners came up with out on the playground.
 
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That's a fine concept, but this is a terrible rule.

It's potentially awarding a precious extra possession to a team for being good at one thing (passing offense) or potentially taking a precious possession away from another team for being poor at one thing (passing defense).

It's alarming to me that they are even toying with this idea. It sounds like something kindergartners came up with out on the playground.
Kindergartners and playground is how I would describe NFL HQ
 

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I've always thought the automatic first down for defensive holding was a bad rule honestly. If it's that egregious than just call it as DPI (it's pretty much only called on players who are running routes anyway). If it's not that egregious than 5 yards is enough.

I don't necessarily hate this rule yet though, onside kicks are so few and far between and are even more rarely recovered I think exploring a new avenue for a team to get the ball back is probably a good idea.
Unless it's a Saints/Falcons game then it happens 3 times and they recover it 2 times (one was called back by penalty on the Falcons) or a Bears /Saints game where the Bears convert the seasons first attempt and the second was recovered out of bounds. We gave up 3 of 5 and that is a 60 percent success rate for opposing teams:frack:
 

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Going for 4th and 15th from your own 25 seems extremely punishing if you don’t convert. If you don’t recover an onside kick the other team would have the ball probably around the 50. Id like to see this play from your own 35 instead.
Teams are most likely only going to attempt this, when they are far behind and would lose anyway so they won't care about the outcome if they fail.

This was the rule the AAF had. You also could only do it within 5 minutes of the end of the game, or if you were trailing by 17 or more at any point. I liked it because it gave the trailing team a small but not impossible chance of overcoming a large deficit at the end of the game.

The only downside is no more surprise onsides. On the other hand, Ambush will now be a signature play that no one will ever be able to repeat :)
 
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I have an idea on how to improve player safety. Make them wear flags and plays end when a flag is pulled off of the ball carrier instead of down by contact. Oh and better get rid of blocking too, it exposes players on both sides to too much risk. And eliminate defensive backs since a lot of injuries happen in the secondary during pass coverage.
 
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Now that I think about it it’s probably better to just flip coins on every play instead of snapping the football. It’s the only way to be sure. The players can just keep flipping and get 10 yards each time they win the toss until one team or the other crosses the goal line. It’s the only way to be sure

Then again a player could pull a hamstring or something when bending down to pick up the coin.

Maybe we should do Rock Paper Scissors instead
 

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Rule needs to be worded in such a way that a team must gain 15 yards by themselves. Any penalty results in a replay that 4th down. That would take away the DPI past 15 yards and limit any confusion about maybe a 5 yard defensive holding penalty. That should not count the same as gaining 15 yards which is what I think they are aiming for.
Then the defense would commit a penalty every time until the clock runs out. The way around that is make it an untimed down but then we end up with a never ending game. This option would only take place if there is little time left and team A just scored and needs another to tie or win so team B is going to do what it takes to stop team a from getting into scoring range.
 

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