"Make it, take it" rule in effect tomorrow at Probowl as a test. (Onside kick alternative) (1 Viewer)

[dutar76]

Lamar Jackson can scramble for those 15 yards 9 out of 10 times.

Eli Apple can draw a flag on that play 9 out of 10 times.

But at least if it's DPI, we can challenge it.

 

[Cage1]

Not if you're playing against us. 4th and 15? We'd never stop that.

You're not kidding. No matter how good this team is, no matter how well the defense is playing, the other team will always convert 4th and 15 100% of the time against us. I would never bet on us to stop a 4th a 15, no matter the opponent or the situation.

 

[SunshinePumper]

You're not kidding. No matter how good this team is, no matter how well the defense is playing, the other team will always convert 4th and 15 100% of the time against us. I would never bet on us to stop a 4th a 15, no matter the opponent or the situation.

#FireDennisAllen

 

[OutlawSaint]

Rule needs to be worded in such a way that a team must gain 15 yards by themselves. Any penalty results in a replay that 4th down. That would take away the DPI past 15 yards and limit any confusion about maybe a 5 yard defensive holding penalty. That should not count the same as gaining 15 yards which is what I think they are aiming for.

 

[Taker597]

4th abd 15 is excessive.

 

[Saintslfc13]

Rule needs to be worded in such a way that a team must gain 15 yards by themselves. Any penalty results in a replay that 4th down. That would take away the DPI past 15 yards and limit any confusion about maybe a 5 yard defensive holding penalty. That should not count the same as gaining 15 yards which is what I think they are aiming for.

I've always thought the automatic first down for defensive holding was a bad rule honestly. If it's that egregious than just call it as DPI (it's pretty much only called on players who are running routes anyway). If it's not that egregious than 5 yards is enough.

I don't necessarily hate this rule yet though, onside kicks are so few and far between and are even more rarely recovered I think exploring a new avenue for a team to get the ball back is probably a good idea.

 

[OutlawSaint]

I've always thought the automatic first down for defensive holding was a bad rule honestly. If it's that egregious than just call it as DPI (it's pretty much only called on players who are running routes anyway). If it's not that egregious than 5 yards is enough.

I don't necessarily hate this rule yet though, onside kicks are so few and far between and are even more rarely recovered I think exploring a new avenue for a team to get the ball back is probably a good idea.

Could potentially swing a game either way. Say the defense does get the 4th and 15 stop. Then that team is already in FG range and could score a TD most likely

 

[Saintslfc13]

I do see your point. Maybe having it at the 25 is a bit too risky unless you really have faith in your offense but there needs to be a significant risk to it otherwise it would just make too much sense to try it more often than not, especially if you really trusted your defense. I could see the logic in moving it maybe 10 yards forward so if the D gets the stop they're offense is not automatically in the redzone.

 

[OutlawSaint]

I do see your point. Maybe having it at the 25 is a bit too risky unless you really have faith in your offense but there needs to be a significant risk to it otherwise it would just make too much sense to try it more often than not, especially if you really trusted your defense. I could see the logic in moving it maybe 10 yards forward so if the D gets the stop they're offense is not automatically in the redzone.

I was gonna watch the game tomorrow regardless but now this has me even more intrigued. I hope we get to see it in action a couple of times.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

The NFL has routinely made rule alterations over the past decades, many of them leading to their current success. If they can implement others that increase player safety as well, why not do it?

That's a fine concept, but this is a terrible rule.

It's potentially awarding a precious extra possession to a team for being good at one thing (passing offense) or potentially taking a precious possession away from another team for being poor at one thing (passing defense).

It's alarming to me that they are even toying with this idea. It sounds like something kindergartners came up with out on the playground.

 

[OutlawSaint]

That's a fine concept, but this is a terrible rule.

It's potentially awarding a precious extra possession to a team for being good at one thing (passing offense) or potentially taking a precious possession away from another team for being poor at one thing (passing defense).

It's alarming to me that they are even toying with this idea. It sounds like something kindergartners came up with out on the playground.

Kindergartners and playground is how I would describe NFL HQ

 

[OldTimeGamer1966]

I've always thought the automatic first down for defensive holding was a bad rule honestly. If it's that egregious than just call it as DPI (it's pretty much only called on players who are running routes anyway). If it's not that egregious than 5 yards is enough.

I don't necessarily hate this rule yet though, onside kicks are so few and far between and are even more rarely recovered I think exploring a new avenue for a team to get the ball back is probably a good idea.

Unless it's a Saints/Falcons game then it happens 3 times and they recover it 2 times (one was called back by penalty on the Falcons) or a Bears /Saints game where the Bears convert the seasons first attempt and the second was recovered out of bounds. We gave up 3 of 5 and that is a 60 percent success rate for opposing teams

 

[DCSaints_Fan]

Going for 4th and 15th from your own 25 seems extremely punishing if you don’t convert. If you don’t recover an onside kick the other team would have the ball probably around the 50. Id like to see this play from your own 35 instead.

Teams are most likely only going to attempt this, when they are far behind and would lose anyway so they won't care about the outcome if they fail.

This was the rule the AAF had. You also could only do it within 5 minutes of the end of the game, or if you were trailing by 17 or more at any point. I liked it because it gave the trailing team a small but not impossible chance of overcoming a large deficit at the end of the game.

The only downside is no more surprise onsides. On the other hand, Ambush will now be a signature play that no one will ever be able to repeat

 

[BroKV]

moving the XP back has been one of the best changes ever.

I wouldn’t be opposed to moving that back a little further just to make it a little more difficult.

 

[NewSaintsEra]

I have an idea on how to improve player safety. Make them wear flags and plays end when a flag is pulled off of the ball carrier instead of down by contact. Oh and better get rid of blocking too, it exposes players on both sides to too much risk. And eliminate defensive backs since a lot of injuries happen in the secondary during pass coverage.