Marijuana (2 Viewers)

[Saints318]

I wonder if I will live to see both pot decriminalized and self driving cars.

What will cops do without DWI's, traffic citations and arresting teenagers for a roach?

 

[superchuck500]

I wonder if I will live to see both pot decriminalized and self driving cars.

What will cops do without DWI's, traffic citations and arresting teenagers for a roach?

Driverless cars are going to require a re-examination of driver laws. I don't think it's accurate to view the system as fully autonomous and distinct from the "driver" as a matter of law. The systems will certainly have manual controls in the event of a problem or other need to override. And the person at those controls will be the legally responsible party, regardless of whether the car is on automated driving. (Hence, "driverless" is probably a poor term).

And based on that likely legal landscape, I'm sure they'll amend the law to make DWI include "operating" the vehicle by being the person at the manual controls (even if they're not being used). And open-container would continue to apply (and I'm sure jurisdictions with liberal weed laws probably have analogous laws for weed use in a vehicle).

 

[Tapxe]

Driverless cars are going to require a re-examination of driver laws. I don't think it's accurate to view the system as fully autonomous and distinct from the "driver" as a matter of law. The systems will certainly have manual controls in the event of a problem or other need to override. And the person at those controls will be the legally responsible party, regardless of whether the car is on automated driving. (Hence, "driverless" is probably a poor term).

And based on that likely legal landscape, I'm sure they'll amend the law to make DWI include "operating" the vehicle by being the person at the manual controls (even if they're not being used). And open-container would continue to apply (and I'm sure jurisdictions with liberal weed laws probably have analogous laws for weed use in a vehicle).

:aargh:

 

[superchuck500]

:aargh:

Yeah, it's going to be a bit of a downer. I just don't see how they do it any other way - at least not for a while (until the technology is so well developed, proven, and saturated that we are comfortable with surrendering the legal association between the person in the front, right seat and the operation of the vehicle). It's certainly not going to be a situation where you just ride around in your car tanked.

 

[Saints318]

Yeah, it's going to be a bit of a downer. I just don't see how they do it any other way - at least not for a while (until the technology is so well developed, proven, and saturated that we are comfortable with surrendering the legal association between the person in the front, right seat and the operation of the vehicle). It's certainly not going to be a situation where you just ride around in your car tanked.

I get your point, but if the systems work well... would there ever be a reason for a cop to pull you over?

 

[superchuck500]

I get your point, but if the systems work well... would there ever be a reason for a cop to pull you over?

Good point. Probable cause for a traffic stop would be much harder to demonstrate. Plus, the systems will have data recorders and could be used as evidence to defeat false probable cause allegations.

 

[Goatman Saint]

I get your point, but if the systems work well... would there ever be a reason for a cop to pull you over?

I think it would be a terrific idea. Had a few too many, tell Siri to take you home and fall asleep in the passenger seat as the car automatically takes you home. What could be better? No accidents, no dui mess, just suri and google maps getting you home safe. I’d be all for it, however MADD and the local police departments that love the revenue would surely be slow to accept it.

 

[Tapxe]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/12-year-old-sues-u-s-attorney-general-jeff-sessions-n820466

The suit aims to prove that the Controlled Substances Act, the statute governing federal drug policy, is unconstitutional as it relates to marijuana, according to Alexis’ attorney, Michael S. Hiller.

Joining in on the suit with Alexis are plaintiffs Marvin Washington, a former NFL lineman; Jose Belen, an Army veteran; and Jagger Cotte, a 6-year-old Georgia boy with Leigh syndrome, all of whom use medicinal cannabis. The Cannabis Cultural Association is also named as a plaintiff, according to court documents.

“Our objective is to have the Controlled Substances Act as it pertains to cannabis declared unconstitutional so that Alexis, Jagger, Jose and the millions of other Americans who require medical cannabis can live healthy and productive lives,” Hiller said.

The Justice Department, which has filed a memorandum in support of a motion to dismiss the case, declined to comment to NBC News. The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

 

[Tapxe]

https://news.vice.com/story/synthetic-thc-is-safer-than-actual-weed-according-to-the-dea

In an announcement posted Wednesday in the Federal Register, the DEA announced that the drug Syndros, a liquid form of synthetic THC, will be classified as a Schedule II controlled substance, meaning it can be legally prescribed by doctors. Meanwhile, regular marijuana will continue to be listed alongside heroin in the more restrictive Schedule I category, which is reserved for drugs that have “no currently accepted medical use” and “a high potential for abuse.”

$$$ talks it would seem.

 

[Goatman Saint]

https://news.vice.com/story/synthetic-thc-is-safer-than-actual-weed-according-to-the-dea



$$$ talks it would seem.

Good god.... what a joke this country has become

 

[TXSAINTFAN]

https://news.vice.com/story/synthetic-thc-is-safer-than-actual-weed-according-to-the-dea



$$$ talks it would seem.

I would say unbelievable but nothing surprises me anymore with relation to marijuana and the government's refusal to accept it's medicinal value.

 

[Suavecito8]

Good god.... what a joke this country has become

Become? As far as this subject it concerned we have been there a long time ago. Muh gateway drug!

 

[Tapxe]

Some interesting background on the history and progression of legalization. I'd no idea it was so close in the 70's and that Reagan was so responsible for funding the parents groups that were opposed. I think we have better numbers now so it's more likely that the 'for the kids' argument can be defeated. Sadly, I'm not confident that real concrete evidence and facts will sway some of the electorate or the representatives they vote into office.

I just put the book on my Christmas list.

https://newrepublic.com/article/145979/promise-legal-pot

Dufton zeroes in on one parent activist in particular: Marsha Schuchard. Schuchard, an Atlanta liberal with a Ph.D., co-founded the group Parents’ Resource Institute on Drug Education (PRIDE) after witnessing her adolescent daughter’s friends unabashedly getting stoned at her backyard birthday party. Dufton argues that activists like Schuchard, comprised of well-educated and socially progressive parents, were dismayed by the carelessness of decriminalization policies, which did not make an effort to shield children from soft drugs. Schuchard, who began with a crusade against paraphernalia, eventually came to believe that the drug problem “was not heroin addiction, which affected a small marginalized population, but pot-smoking, which touched so many families.”

By 1980, over 300 parents’ groups had formed in 34 states. President Reagan was far more eager to hear from them and steer financial resources in their direction than his predecessors had been. Some of the activists were suburbanites upset with their children getting stoned in the dark corners of the neighborhood cul-de-sac, no matter how other activists echoed the new Administration’s grimmer forecast about the effects of soft drugs on society. For the Reaganites, even soft drugs were an existential menace to American progress and were to be rooted out using strong-armed policing and long prison sentences. Joan Brann, an African American Oakland resident, worked at the State Department, before starting Oakland Parents in Action, an organization that aimed to combat drug use in a largely low-income black community. Even though Brann got her start in the milieu of radical black activism, she nonetheless supported Reagan’s harsher drug laws as a means to save her community from drug addiction. It was during a visit to her group’s headquarters that Nancy Reagan lifted the motto “Just Say No.”

 

[zeetes]

I wonder if I will live to see both pot decriminalized and self driving cars.

What will cops do without DWI's, traffic citations and arresting teenagers for a roach?

they’ll be asking the age old question of “Would you like fries and a drink with that?”

 

[Tapxe]

they’ll be asking the age old question of “Would you like fries and a drink with that?”

Or they will have time to work on theft, rape, and homicide cases.