Michael Thomas Twitter Exchange with Underhill (1 Viewer)

[Saintcd]

Why are you on a football forum talking about war veterans and the state of the country?

Some People like to use veterans for anything they think will lead credence to their argument whether it has merit or not. I wish they would leave us out of it.

 

[CajunSaint08]

Capitalism. The word you are looking for is capitalism. Which leads into a discussion that isn't really suitable for this board, but that's what this is. Market driven capitalism.

If it really troubles you, it's not the soldiers who fought in World Wars you should be thinking about, but a system that directs wealth in ways that aren't always so palatable to the many of us working to stay above the line. Lose your job? Sink. Get sick? Sink. Can't keep up with the cost of living? Sink.

Sorry, I agree not for this board.

 

[DavidM]

Sorry, I agree not for this board.

I wasn't admonishing you, just pointing out that, while an important topic, it's not one we can really dig into here.

Short answer, though; athletes aren't the villains in a system where profit motive goes a long way to determining incomes and wealth distribution.

I'm not an anti-capitalist, by the way. We simplify these issues too much into labels and bullet points. We can do a lot better than we're doing, however, as you described.

 

[HouseCall]

I don’t think it’s any secret that the conventional wisdom is that Thomas will be cut this offseason in a strictly financial move.

Perhaps he is aware of that too and his ego is hurt a little.

Regardless of the reason, it doesn’t seem like an overly earth shattering tweet to me.

 

[Big_L]

Some People like to use veterans for anything they think will lead credence to their argument whether it has merit or not. I wish they would leave us out of it.

Most of those people aren't veterans themselves to boot.

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

Out of all of this......................I want to remind you that my day is better because I no longer have to listen to Kristian Garic.

 

[jasonsw]

Guess Underhill isn't going to be on MTs Christmas card list.

 

[jasonsw]

Some People like to use veterans for anything they think will lead credence to their argument whether it has merit or not. I wish they would leave us out of it.

As a vet I don't see the connection. NFL Football is a business pure and simple

 

[St. Geezy]

You can say it a thousand different ways, but to pay a player $60 million for one year to throw a football is just idiotic. We as a country are stupid. And we wonder why inflation is going through the roof. Just doesn't make sense.

So what exactly are you proposing happens here? People are paying to watch these players perform, TV networks are paying to broadcast them, etc., and they’re doing a whole lot more than simply throwing a football. These guys work a real grind during the year, with lots of travel and sacrifice.

Teachers and all those other professions don’t have an audience willing to pay billions watch them perform and thus aren’t compensated as such.

Again I ask, what exactly is the point you’re making? Are you saying that these guys don’t deserve a significant portion of the money they bring in? Are you saying the owners should hold onto most of the money just for fronting the business? Are you saying the league shouldn’t be bringing in this type of money? Are you saying us as fans are dumb for being entertained by this and wanting to pay? Are you saying TV Networks and sponsors are dumb for wanting to pay for broadcast rights and advertisements?

What exactly are you saying here???

 

[Super Hooper]

Cut him

 

[DaveXA]

Cut him

You don't really gain a lot by cutting him at this point.

 

[J.T.]

He's made almost 50 million dollars playing 10 games in 3 seasons the least he can do is restructure.

But to whose benefit? Is he obligated to repay the team when he outperformed his rookie contract?

I’ll side with the player being paid 10/10 times, before i side with the team, because in the end, it’s their bodies that go through a half dozen car crashes a game.

A potentially big difference, in terms of the money they could get, is there should be a market for Carr that won't exist for Thomas. It might be that Thomas wants to move on but he's almost certainly going to play on a significantly reduced salary, wherever he is.

Thomas has to understand that he has been paid A LOT OF MONEY the last three years for very little on field production. I know he was injured on the field. I think he played hurt. I think he delayed the surgery. But he has to understand that the team put a lot of money in his pockets for very little production. (The argument that he "outplayed" his rookie deal is bogus to me. That is the rookie rate, so there is no "outplaying" it in my book. The union and teams set the rookie pool. The veterans limited the amount rookies could get because they are unproven commodities. If the players don't like this, the "new" veterans can vote to increase the rookie pool and lower their pay, I doubt that will happen.)

Michael Thomas the last 3 seasons:

56 receptions for 609 yards.

Marquez Callaway the last 3 seasons:

83 catches for 1069 yards.

Even with that, I'd much rather figure out a way to keep Thomas on the team and see Callaway leave because he "outperformed" his rookie deal. THOMAS IS WAY BETTER HURT than Callaway's future potential.

Michael Thomas is probably looking at a one year "prove it" deal if he is cut by the Saints. Likely between $8-10 million. Even that might be too much given his injury history. If the Saints can figure out a way to extend again, add more void years and some future roster bonuses maybe Thomas should look at the "receipts" the last 3 years and see how much he made per catch.

He can do great things with Carr at QB if he comes back healthy.

 

[MV2]

None of this makes me sick, but for most of you not to realize how azz backwards this country is makes me really want to cry. WWI veterans (if any were alive today) and WWII veterans must really wonder what the hell happened to this great country of America that they fought so hard to protect.

Of course it's backwards. But players get paid because the industry makes the revenue to pay them. Would you rather billion dollar owners pay them 100k/year and pocket the rest?

If the NFL or any sport makes that much money then then ones responsible for it deserve their cut. If you want to be upset with someone then blame the public for spending the level of money that allows this to happen. But you can't be upset with Athletes for getting a fair share.

If a WWII veteran picks this as his hill to die on then they are missing out on the hundreds of other things that are a much bigger issue for America and the world as a whole. An athlete's paycheck is the least of our problems.

 

[Centmssaint1]

He's made almost 50 million dollars playing 10 games in 3 seasons the least he can do is restructure.

They already restructured his contract for cap purposes, converting money to signing bonuses.

 

[PBsWhodat]

For what it's worth...

Carr’s brother removed it and added this…