Mike Garafolo: Saints are set to make a decision on Derek Carr within the next few weeks; likely to have multiple suitors if released (18 Viewers)

[St. Widge]

Think it was posted as a joke. Friendly banter, trash talk, not anything serious as if he’s hating on Moore.

Yeah, that's what I do to when I say a "joke" that I realize went too far.

Seriously that looked like it would take some time to put together for it to be a joke and it's wasn't said in a joking tone. Plus, Darren Carr has been known to talk sheet in the past if he thinks a team or anyone else is slighting his brother. Which again, I get taking up for your brother, but you don't take shots and the guy that just became his HC and hold his future in his hands.

But, I guess to be fair, maybe Darren, Derrick, and Moore have a prior relationship that makes this less Darren being and butt crevasse and more smack talk between semi-friends. But, if they really have no prior relationship other than Moore crushing Fresno State then it's really not a smart thing to do.

 

[meily]

Nice job by Darren Carr helping his brother bond with his new HC.

I have to wonder if Derek likes him doing this stuff or if he just goes off on his own? I get that he's going to support his brother, but why tear down his new HC to do that?

All the more reason why the Saints and Carr may split, this is your Head Coach not your contemporary and a clean split may be best so there is no confusion.

 

[DavidM]

All the more reason why the Saints and Carr may split, this is your Head Coach not your contemporary and a clean split may be best so there is no confusion.

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibilities that the Saints would sweeten a deal to unload Carr. It's not a trade we can win on other than cap space, which if I'm understanding the overthecap simulator correctly, would be really advantageous in a post June 1st trade. And if you're Carr, and a team like the Steelers were interested, why wouldn't you want to make that move?

All very speculative, but I could see a scenario where Moore wants to start remaking the team now and an aging veteran wouldn't be a part of that approach.

 

[Nolan]

Wild move by Darren to reply to Rap's tweet with that.

 

[RaisingTheBar]

Stafford was 0-3 in the post-season during his decade+ long career with the Lions. He is currently 5-2 post-season (including a Super Bowl championship) in his four years with the Rams.

Jameis had one winning season in Tampa (where he got benched for Ryan Fitzpatrick) and had a losing record here under Dennis Allen, but how many would argue that he would have led the Saints to the playoffs that 2021 year under the reins of Sean Payton had he (Winston) not gotten injured?

Coaches, coordinators, teammates, and the general quality of the organization can absolutely matter and show up in ways if not directly in the box scores.

The Stafford example proves my point. He’s better than Carr, yet their avg salary is the same and he’s a SB winning QB. Stafford at least got to the playoffs 3 times in Detroit and more with the rams.

I don’t care what fans argue, Jameis didn’t make the playoffs here. 5-2 start is great but that’s not a lock we would have finished just as strong. Carr started 2-0 this season than lost what 4 straight?

Coaches, coordinators and teammates matter? Had no idea. I think that’s petty obvious, however when the leader of the team has gone through numerous coaches and coordinators a theme starts to develop.

I’m not saying he’s bad. I’m not saying he’s good. He’s just a solid NFL QB. However, and this was what my post was in response to, don’t ask me what else do fans expect Carr to do like he’s done everything expected when he’s been to the post season once in 11 years.

 

[RaisingTheBar]

This isn't even a given, for all we know, Mickey Loomis might still wanna chase this thing with a bunch of can kicks in a bad division. We as fans won't see the vision until a day or two leading up to the new league year starting. While the smart thing is to just start eating cap, you just know Mickey doesn't see it that way. If he kicks a lot of cans this year, it means he believes 2024 was a lost season due to injuries. If he doesn't kick a lot of cans, it means he's actually open to more of a reset. The worst thing possible is believing you're close in a bad division when you have problems at every level of your roster.

This is my fear, and by the way he talks, he thinks this way. However I really hope Kellen is like let’s get the cap in order so starting on 2026 he can behind to build the roster he needs to be successful. We have to get younger/faster on defense, we have a hole on the o-line, we have to get WRs who can play 15-17 games a season.

 

[CowtownSaint]

Stafford was 0-3 in the post-season during his decade+ long career with the Lions. He is currently 5-2 post-season (including a Super Bowl championship) in his four years with the Rams.

Jameis had one winning season in Tampa (where he got benched for Ryan Fitzpatrick) and had a losing record here under Dennis Allen, but how many would argue that he would have led the Saints to the playoffs that 2021 year under the reins of Sean Payton had he (Winston) not gotten injured?

Coaches, coordinators, teammates, and the general quality of the organization can absolutely matter and show up in ways if not directly in the box scores.

You can’t seriously be comparing Stanford to Carr? Stanford is the opposite of Carr in every intangible and character trait possible.

 

[CowtownSaint]

I wonder how much Carr's family will play into the decision.

Lmao wow to Darren Carr, is there a worse look than that? That alone would have me Bench DC or get him out of town, KM is the sheriff in town now, getting petty like that right now is the worst thing you could do! Moore didn’t post that after all, so why respond like that.

 

[CowtownSaint]

I agree with Ross on this one.

I quite like Ross actually he’s the only one I consistently listen to during summer leading up to season

 

[CowtownSaint]

Think it was posted as a joke. Friendly banter, trash talk, not anything serious as if he’s hating on Moore.

I don’t think that can be construed as a joke or friendly banter, the reply is a saving face after stepping in it, imo anyways

 

[Elvis]

Lmao wow to Darren Carr, is there a worse look than that? That alone would have me Bench DC or get him out of town, KM is the sheriff in town now, getting petty like that right now is the worst thing you could do! Moore didn’t post that after all, so why respond like that.

I think his account got suspended here yesterday and so he went to Twitter today and found Ian Rapoport. Wild times.

 

[BoxerJoe]

The Stafford example proves my point. He’s better than Carr, yet their avg salary is the same and he’s a SB winning QB. Stafford at least got to the playoffs 3 times in Detroit and more with the rams.

I don’t care what fans argue, Jameis didn’t make the playoffs here. 5-2 start is great but that’s not a lock we would have finished just as strong. Carr started 2-0 this season than lost what 4 straight?

Coaches, coordinators and teammates matter? Had no idea. I think that’s petty obvious, however when the leader of the team has gone through numerous coaches and coordinators a theme starts to develop.

I’m not saying he’s bad. I’m not saying he’s good. He’s just a solid NFL QB. However, and this was what my post was in response to, don’t ask me what else do fans expect Carr to do like he’s done everything expected when he’s been to the post season once in 11 years.

You misunderstood my point if you think that the Stafford example proves your point. Why did Stafford win the Super Bowl in year 1 with the Rams after not having any more playoff wins than a guy like Derek Carr in over a decade? Was it a drastic change in Stafford that created the drastic change in playoff success?

As for the Jameis thing, I think you missed the point there as well. The level of coaching by Payton had Jameis "fixed' from his past problems and headed in the right direction. No one here would put Dennis Allen (coach of the first 9 games this past season) anywhere near the same level as Payton in terms of keeping a ship righted. That's the point. Jameis finally had a great head coach and the difference was stark. Did Carr get that when he made the jump from his previous team to here?

I never said you thought Carr was a bad QB. I just don't think his two years here can be used as any kind of optimal situation in which we could have seen him show what he could truly do. And if his time is up here with that being all, then so be it. That will just be how things worked out for him.

You can’t seriously be comparing Stanford to Carr? Stanford is the opposite of Carr in every intangible and character trait possible.

Is that really what you took from my post? Seriously? Nothing about being an example of what an upgrade in environment (team, coaching, surrounding talent) can do for a QB? None of that? Just Carr = Stafford is what you thought I was saying?

 

[Thrillamac]

Yeah, that's what I do to when I say a "joke" that I realize went too far.

Seriously that looked like it would take some time to put together for it to be a joke and it's wasn't said in a joking tone. Plus, Darren Carr has been known to talk sheet in the past if he thinks a team or anyone else is slighting his brother. Which again, I get taking up for your brother, but you don't take shots and the guy that just became his HC and hold his future in his hands.

But, I guess to be fair, maybe Darren, Derrick, and Moore have a prior relationship that makes this less Darren being and butt crevasse and more smack talk between semi-friends. But, if they really have no prior relationship other than Moore crushing Fresno State then it's really not a smart thing to do.

Wow!! There really is a Darren. I thought that was a saints report meme

 

[SaintsMan209]

I think the way Derek's brother responded to Rapport means Carr is officially done with the Saints. Super exciting times ahead!

 

[RaisingTheBar]

I think the way Derek's brother responded to Rapport means Carr is officially done with the Saints. Super exciting times ahead!

As far as being a Saint he’s 100% on borrowed time. It’s just is he playing in the B&G this season and being released in 2026 or are we ripping the bandaid off now.