NFL cheerleader saga continues (1 Viewer)

[Ambush]

you're right, it was more than implied. These women enter into these professions and they will be groped and abused and harassed because they should expect this treatment. Nowhere did you address the men or the responses of the businesses (run by men)



you'll get no argument from me on that point... and I'm okay with that



well, if you espouse this attitude, how would you even know? There might well be harassment and you have no idea and if you run around talking about how women deserve this treatment, without addressing any of the men, it's possible that they are fearful of reporting it.

If you have businesses with thousands of people, as you've claimed, then harassment has happened. If it hasn't been reported, that might say something about how comfortable they feel coming forward.

So, you can say you don't allow it, but that's not the same as it not happening. And if you point to a lack of reports, well, that doesn't mean it's not happening either.



or, alternatively, in a workplace where their is a gender imbalance when it comes to power, the less powerful need the more powerful to acknowledge them, protect them. Look at the cheerleaders in the article who suffered physical violations and indignity and their bosses did nothing.

It's not about being a white knight.

But again, if this attitude carries over into how you run your businesses, I'm not surprised that there aren't any/many reports of harassment. It's possible they don't feel they have someone in their corner. It happens at a lot of work places.


you type things like this thinking you're making it better, I imagine. But I think you're making it worse. It's a dismissive and disposable attitude toward these girls and if you employ similarly, then that might well extend to your employees.



you don't seem to understand how power works. Or misogyny.

and that's unfortunate for someone in a position of administration and/or authority

I should have stopped reading after you accused me of saying that women deserved this treatment.

you're right, it was more than implied. These women enter into these professions and they will be groped and abused and harassed because they should expect this treatment. Nowhere did you address the men or the responses of the businesses (run by men)



you'll get no argument from me on that point... and I'm okay with that



well, if you espouse this attitude, how would you even know? There might well be harassment and you have no idea and if you run around talking about how women deserve this treatment, without addressing any of the men, it's possible that they are fearful of reporting it.

If you have businesses with thousands of people, as you've claimed, then harassment has happened. If it hasn't been reported, that might say something about how comfortable they feel coming forward.

So, you can say you don't allow it, but that's not the same as it not happening. And if you point to a lack of reports, well, that doesn't mean it's not happening either.



or, alternatively, in a workplace where their is a gender imbalance when it comes to power, the less powerful need the more powerful to acknowledge them, protect them. Look at the cheerleaders in the article who suffered physical violations and indignity and their bosses did nothing.

It's not about being a white knight.

But again, if this attitude carries over into how you run your businesses, I'm not surprised that there aren't any/many reports of harassment. It's possible they don't feel they have someone in their corner. It happens at a lot of work places.


you type things like this thinking you're making it better, I imagine. But I think you're making it worse. It's a dismissive and disposable attitude toward these girls and if you employ similarly, then that might well extend to your employees.



you don't seem to understand how power works. Or misogyny.

and that's unfortunate for someone in a position of administration and/or authority

I really shouldn’t engage you, because I have very little respect for you or your snarky ness.

I never said they deserved that treatment. In one of my business, I have had harassment complaints. I didn’t say they didn’t happen. However, you create a culture that doesn’t allow it. If and when it comes up you smack it like a fly.

White night- I am sure you haven’t been called this many times in your life.

As I ride in New Orleans east, there is an abandoned building with OYE painted by street tagers I guess. I honestly don’t know the story behind it.
Funny thing is, you can probably see it using google earth or some other technology. Binoculars won’t help all the way in the great white north.

Anyway, I had a guy with me from Oklahoma, and I told him my OYE story.

I said “ what do you think about a white guy, whose life work is studying and helping the poor black children in our society overcome the huge obstacles in front of them?”

Jeff “man, I think that is great. We need more good role models”

Me, “ yeah, and then what if I told you that he moved out of inner city New Orleans (black population 80%) to Canada (his specific city 8%) to continue his life work?

Jeff, “Typical stunt man, and let me guess, he thinks he is better than everyone else”.

True story just last week, peace homie.

 

[Ambush]

I know we have teachers and parents on this board. Please tell the female students and children that they have the power to say no. No man, woman or government should force them to do anything they don’t want to. Then tell them that they shouldn’t have premarital sex and that they should never use their bodies to be exploited.

Tell them that they are stonger than you give them credit for.

By the way we just finished a dress rehearsal with some 150 young ladies. I gave them a speech much like the one above. (I didn’t leave the captured audience of young woman and decide to go give the speech to an old folks home for only men over 90)

 

[Joe OKC]

I'll be honest.. I have more important things going on in my life right now than to argue on the internet... But I'll jump back in..

Where the other side of the coin... and the story.. We take the word of this one Author and run with it. Where is the counterpoint by another author? Or is this story gospel? I haven't been hearing much on the abused Cheerleader front these past few years, so this must be new.

The New Orleans Saints were specifically mentioned. And I doubt very highly that the Honorable Mr. Tom Benson would allow anyone in his employ to be "Pimped Out"...

I for one applaud the Saints if the rosters of their cheerleader unit is full. And they employ other girls to become familiar with the organization and have a chance to learn from the girls that actually get the "Dance" gig as it was mentioned and perhaps even make the team one day. Or should I use the word squad? Ambassador works...

It also gives more girls the opportunity to be around TV Broadcasting, Journalism, Marketing, Sports Medicine, Business Administration, Logistics, Retail, Promotions and even Socialization skills. I also am sure that the opportunity to make the squad is open to everyone no matter what Race or Social standing.

I support the SaintSations as equally as I support the Saints for they are one in the same and I have no doubt that the unit is being properly managed...

Whomever this writer is... I don't dig her and I also don't like the stir the pot ploy for attention... Ms. Benson has enough to deal with without this Storm y

Me,,, I don't have a problem with the Saints Cheerleading Staff... You guys???

 

[Ambush]

No problem here, and I get a good view from the front row every home game.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I should have stopped reading after you accused me of saying that women deserved this treatment.


I really shouldn’t engage you, because I have very little respect for you or your snarky ness.

I never said they deserved that treatment. In one of my business, I have had harassment complaints. I didn’t say they didn’t happen. However, you create a culture that doesn’t allow it. If and when it comes up you smack it like a fly.

White night- I am sure you haven’t been called this many times in your life.

As I ride in New Orleans east, there is an abandoned building with OYE painted by street tagers I guess. I honestly don’t know the story behind it.
Funny thing is, you can probably see it using google earth or some other technology. Binoculars won’t help all the way in the great white north.

Anyway, I had a guy with me from Oklahoma, and I told him my OYE story.

I said “ what do you think about a white guy, whose life work is studying and helping the poor black children in our society overcome the huge obstacles in front of them?”

Jeff “man, I think that is great. We need more good role models”

Me, “ yeah, and then what if I told you that he moved out of inner city New Orleans (black population 80%) to Canada (his specific city 8%) to continue his life work?

Jeff, “Typical stunt man, and let me guess, he thinks he is better than everyone else”.

True story just last week, peace homie.

Razorsaint tried to do this to me a week or so ago
Just got frustrated and had to go in hard on personal attacks
I know it can get tight and sharp elbowy in here, but the personal stuff is not cool

 

[RetroMcBananaFace]

If you find yourself obsessed with somebody on a message board to the point that you're talking trash about that person to somebody in your real life about it.....you probably need to step back and rethink a few things.

 

[Ambush]

I don’t think I’m saying anything that isn’t true. Many can dish it, but can’t take it. I am not using adhoms like is the norm in here.

 

[dtc]

I should have stopped reading after you accused me of saying that women deserved this treatment.


I really shouldn’t engage you, because I have very little respect for you or your snarky ness.

I never said they deserved that treatment. In one of my business, I have had harassment complaints. I didn’t say they didn’t happen. However, you create a culture that doesn’t allow it. If and when it comes up you smack it like a fly.

White night- I am sure you haven’t been called this many times in your life.

As I ride in New Orleans east, there is an abandoned building with OYE painted by street tagers I guess. I honestly don’t know the story behind it.
Funny thing is, you can probably see it using google earth or some other technology. Binoculars won’t help all the way in the great white north.

Anyway, I had a guy with me from Oklahoma, and I told him my OYE story.

I said “ what do you think about a white guy, whose life work is studying and helping the poor black children in our society overcome the huge obstacles in front of them?”

Jeff “man, I think that is great. We need more good role models”

Me, “ yeah, and then what if I told you that he moved out of inner city New Orleans (black population 80%) to Canada (his specific city 8%) to continue his life work?

Jeff, “Typical stunt man, and let me guess, he thinks he is better than everyone else”.

True story just last week, peace homie.

You were right and you shouldn't have engaged him if all you had to say was what you posted.

 

[dtc]

I don’t think I’m saying anything that isn’t true. Many can dish it, but can’t take it. I am not using adhoms like is the norm in here.

You just posted 9 paragraphs of personal digs at him that had no relation to the discussion at hand.

It makes you look like a petty little simp and I don't believe that's actually what you are so, again, I'd suggest you take a higher road. It's hard. I find myself very often wanting to do the same thing, but this place shines because we don't. Or, try not anyway.

 

[Ambush]

You just posted 9 paragraphs of personal digs at him that had no relation to the discussion at hand.

It makes you look like a petty little simp and I don't believe that's actually what you are so, again, I'd suggest you take a higher road. It's hard. I find myself very often wanting to do the same thing, but this place shines because we don't. Or, try not anyway.

I appreciate what you are saying. OYE attack’s people all the time on this board and he is held up like a beacon of light. He acts very sanctimonious in his posting. I am strictly (after he came at me), telling it like it is.

It is what it is, he is what he is and I am what I am. I am not embarrassed by who I am. And honestly OYE shouldn’t either.

But when you act as if you are better then the rest of the “white men” because you are a culture warrior, you must be willing to face the backlash. If not, stop being so judgmental.

 

[RetroMcBananaFace]

I appreciate what you are saying. OYE attack’s people all the time on this board and he is held up like a beacon of light. He acts very sanctimonious in his posting. I am strictly (after he came at me), telling it like it is.

It is what it is, he is what he is and I am what I am. I am not embarrassed by who I am. And honestly OYE shouldn’t either.

But when you act as if you are better then the rest of the “white men” because you are a culture warrior, you must be willing to face the backlash. If not, stop being so judgmental.

I have butted heads with Oye a couple times here, and I can understand why you might think he's being "sanctimonious" but he stays on topic and points the conversation inward and keeps it on a one-to-one basis. He doesn't go off the rails with personal attacks and lashing out.

In the other thread you talk about how much you enjoy attacking "liberals" and basically try to invalidate anybody who you see as one of "them." If that is why you are here then I would suggest finding another outlet for your anger, frustration or whatever it is going on with you - speaking as somebody who from time to time needs to do exactly that. It beats getting banned, anyway.

 

[Ambush]

I have butted heads with Oye a couple times here, and I can understand why you might think he's being "sanctimonious" but he stays on topic and points the conversation inward and keeps it on a one-to-one basis. He doesn't go off the rails with personal attacks and lashing out.

In the other thread you talk about how much you enjoy attacking "liberals" and basically try to invalidate anybody who you see as one of "them." If that is why you are here then I would suggest finding another outlet for your anger, frustration or whatever it is going on with you - speaking as somebody who from time to time needs to do exactly that. It beats getting banned, anyway.

I didn’t say anything inaccurate or inflammatory. OYE is a big boy with a big vocabulary. He attacks all the time. Should I treat him with the same petulance? Instead of being snarky and condescending, I figured why play the game.

I do find it funny that the same people who are really nasty everyday to those who disagree with them , Have a problem with me calling this very active and spiteful poster.

Btw, I work in north Baton Rouge and east New Orleans daily. Have you ever thought that I take offense to hearing someone act as they are the white dr king, yet they abandoned that cause for a more plush life.

I tell you what, you have motivated me. Check out the thread I am about to post.

 

[RetroMcBananaFace]

All you have been is inflammatory. It's the defining characteristic of everything you have posted in the last 12 hours.

 

[RazorOye]

Me, “ yeah, and then what if I told you that he moved out of inner city New Orleans (black population 80%) to Canada (his specific city 8%) to continue his life work?

Jeff, “Typical stunt man, and let me guess, he thinks he is better than everyone else”.

True story just last week, peace homie.

well, a couple of things. First, I didn't work in inner city New Orleans. I worked in SWLA. where the African American population is 25%. And the visible minority population is 29% (as per last census). The only times I went to Baton Rouge while engaged in this work was to petition on behalf of juveniles who were wards of the state and local jurisdictions could not permit me to work with them or on their behalf). Wasn't in NOLA and wasn't in BR.

Meanwhile, in Toronto, per last census, 50% of the city is visible minority (my work up here wasn't solely with black kids, but also aboriginal youth, who are vastly overrepresented in the youth prison system, with numbers comparable to or worse than African American disproportionality found in Louisiana and much of the US).

Moreover, the area I am working with some officers right now, the city is 78%-90% minority, mostly black.

So, the area I am actually working in up here is more 'black' than the area I was working in back in Louisiana.

Next time you see your friend, you should make sure and adjust those numbers so that they are more accurate.

And if you want to know any more about my "life's work" - you should ask. I think you have some assumptions that aren't entirely accurate. But maybe you aren't all that interested in them - and that's fine, too.

But I would probably reiterate what retro posted above - being able to let things go about strangers on internet message boards is probably healthier for you than not being able to.

 

[RazorOye]

I don’t think I’m saying anything that isn’t true. Many can dish it, but can’t take it.

but you did say things that weren't true. And I have no problem "taking it" - even though a lot of that stuff was specifically personal, I'm not reporting any of it. I'm not going to ask it to be taken down. I don't know what you mean by "not taking it" - but I think I can/am. No problem reading and responding.

I didn’t say anything inaccurate or inflammatory.

of course you did. You said several things that were inaccurate. And you were obviously being inflammatory and insulting, personally so. I don't really care, but you shouldn't pretend like it wasn't inflammatory. And you shouldn't pretend like it was all accurate.

He attacks all the time.

I would disagree, but I have no problem if you think so. There are plenty of people around here that I think know where/why I'm coming from, and I'm content with that. I don't think there are a whole lot of people who think I "attack all the time." I doubt I'd be around here if that were actually the case.

I take offense to hearing someone act as they are the white dr king, yet they abandoned that cause for a more plush life.

White Dr. King. That's a first. I don't think anything of the sort - not even close. And it sounds like your life is more "plush" than mine. I don't have hundreds of employees, several businesses, and front row seats at Saints games.

I didn't get into this profession for the money, that's for sure.

I got into it for internet message board points!