NOLA crime…. (1 Viewer)

[Brennan77]

I would welcome data that the broken windows theory has been proven wrong, though it is certainly unpopular in academic circles because of the amount of police contact with young men of color. But on an intuitive level, it makes sense to me.

Also, there was recently a great piece in the NY Times over the great success Houston has had in reducing the number of homeless on the streets

When we moved to our house 10 years ago, the block was pretty rough. We were one of the first homes to be renovated. There was section 8 across the street that literally provided curbside sales of sex and drugs. At one point there was quite the fight between two young women in front of our home. There were easily 75 people there to watch it go down. After one of them was stabbed in the leg, it really started to escalate and threatened to turn into a riot. I was on my front porch watching this when one of the instigators was encouraging another to grab one of my sidewalk bricks to smash some cars. I simply piped up to tell them to leave my bricks out of it as I had just laid them. The oddest thing happened. The one being encouraged to do the damage protested that she could not complete the task because 'the man needs his bricks'. And that was the end of their conversation. There was no smashing of cars because my bricks needed to be in their place. I think there's something to the idea of the proper place of things and minimal societal expectations. My brick placement possibly stopped a riot. A small bit of order in the right place tempered the chaos.

 

[kizzy821]

When we moved to our house 10 years ago, the block was pretty rough. We were one of the first homes to be renovated. There was section 8 across the street that literally provided curbside sales of sex and drugs. At one point there was quite the fight between two young women in front of our home. There were easily 75 people there to watch it go down. After one of them was stabbed in the leg, it really started to escalate and threatened to turn into a riot. I was on my front porch watching this when one of the instigators was encouraging another to grab one of my sidewalk bricks to smash some cars. I simply piped up to tell them to leave my bricks out of it as I had just laid them. The oddest thing happened. The one being encouraged to do the damage protested that she could not complete the task because 'the man needs his bricks'. And that was the end of their conversation. There was no smashing of cars because my bricks needed to be in their place. I think there's something to the idea of the proper place of things and minimal societal expectations. My brick placement possibly stopped a riot. A small bit of order in the right place tempered the chaos.

It sounds like she didn't really want to do it and you saying something gave her an out.

Whatever works.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I already created a thread with this video, but specific to nola crime, it seems pointless to find a longterm fix for NO if we’ll let La. stay broken

 

[MarCowMar]

I would welcome data that the broken windows theory has been proven wrong, though it is certainly unpopular in academic circles because of the amount of police contact with young men of color. But on an intuitive level, it makes sense to me.

Also, there was recently a great piece in the NY Times over the great success Houston has had in reducing the number of homeless on the streets

What's important to understand is how much mis-communication and interpretation there is around what the theory actually is, how it's implemented as law and policework, how the results of application are measured, and whether it was really ever a theory to begin with. When something is vaguely defined, people can project and reinterpret whatever results they want on to it.

In your post just now, for instance, you defined the broken window theory as racially targeted stop and frisk (began during Michael Bloomberg's term, IIRC). But did you know that broken windows theory originated in an article in 1982 (in the Atlantic of all places!)

Broken Windows

The police and neighborhood safety

www.theatlantic.com

In this, the original broken window theory article, they describe the theory in terms of order and disorder.

"One of us (Kelling) spent many hours walking with Newark foot-patrol officers to see how they defined "order" and what they did to maintain it..."

"The people on the street were primarily black; the officer who walked the street was white. The people were made up of "regulars" and "strangers." Regulars included both "decent folk" and some drunks and derelicts who were always there but who "knew their place." Strangers were, well, strangers, and viewed suspiciously, sometimes apprehensively. The officer—call him Kelly—knew who the regulars were, and they knew him. As he saw his job, he was to keep an eye on strangers, and make certain that the disreputable regulars observed some informal but widely understood rules. Drunks and addicts could sit on the stoops, but could not lie down. People could drink on side streets, but not at the main intersection. Bottles had to be in paper bags. Talking to, bothering, or begging from people waiting at the bus stop was strictly forbidden. If a dispute erupted between a businessman and a customer, the businessman was assumed to be right, especially if the customer was a stranger. If a stranger loitered, Kelly would ask him if he had any means of support and what his business was; if he gave unsatisfactory answers, he was sent on his way. Persons who broke the informal rules, especially those who bothered people waiting at bus stops, were arrested for vagrancy. Noisy teenagers were told to keep quiet."

I don't know about you, but to me that is just common sense policing. Effective police should know their neighborhoods. They should know the good regulars and bad regulars. They should keep the bad regulars in line, and assume the best of the good regulars. Everyone is given the opportunity to peaceably exist.

"These rules were defined and enforced in collaboration with the "regulars" on the street. [emphasis mine] Another neighborhood might have different rules, but these, everybody understood, were the rules for this neighborhood. If someone violated them, the regulars not only turned to Kelly for help but also ridiculed the violator. "

So you see the original broken windows theory was actually about a community agreeing on a common definition of order and disorder, and working hand in hand with police to enforce it.

I would argue that what Bloomberg did with stop and frisk was designed to create disorder and break up this sort of collaboration, but that's another topic for another day.

But do you now see the problem with bunking/debunking a "theory" that crosses multiple decades of policy and no longer even has a common definition?

 

[HoustonGold]

Coming out of LHSAA championship tonight I was wondering what all the commotion was about by the Old New Orleans Centre/Chamions square and SKC.

Man injured in shooting near Superdome; suspect in custody, NOPD says

A man was injured in a shooting that occurred in the 700 block of Lasalle Street just after 11 p.m. Friday, according to the New Orleans Police Department.

www.nola.com

man was injured in a shooting that occurred in the 700 block of Lasalle Street just after 11 p.m. Friday, according to the New Orleans Police Department.

Officers in the area heard the gunfire, found the man suffering from a gunshot wound and administered aid before paramedics took him to the hospital, the NOPD said.

Officers took one suspect believed to be responsible for the shooting into custody, the NOPD said.

It was a busy night in the area Friday, with the Division II non-select football state championship between Cecilia and Franklinton at the Caesars Superdome and a concert by rapper and trap-soul artist Rod Wave at the Smoothie King Center.

Throngs of people waited after midnight where police had put up police tape at the intersection of Girod Street and Lasalle, just down from Champions Square, unable to get to their cars parked in the nearby garage, according to videos posted on social media.