NOLA crime…. (1 Viewer)

[guidomerkinsrules]

The perception of crime is high not because it's actually high but because of propaganda??? Seriously, if you want to reduce the perception of crime you do what California is doing. You just increase the thresholds for what constitutes crime and then your statics on crime go way down. Simple. Tired of losing the war on drugs, legalize them and crime statics goes down. Tired of prosecuting theft, increase the amount that it takes to make it theft and crime statics go down. Now if we could only find a way to hide all those victims of this non-existent crime. Sounds like a job for propaganda. Tell all the victims of this non-existent crime that the crime that just happened was all in their head...

“While rise rise of crime is real”
That was directly before the part you commented on
‘Yes more crime, but nothing close to what the pearl clutching makes it seem’

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

IDK...this feels different, Born and raised in NOLA, was 13 during the '94 murder capital year...but this just looks and feels different from what we were seeing back then. There was a "reason" for the crime back then, a lot of it was drug/turf related, but now, it just looks like a free for all w/ no one out there to enforce the laws. You have a 60 year old club thot for a mayor who is only tough on Covid, a severely undermanned police force and a generation of fashion accessory kids (their parents had them as fashion accessories) out here playing GTA in real life.

The random carjackings of old ladies, the smash and grab car burglaries, the armed robberies and so on...I don't think these are "poor people crimes"...these are crimes committed by people who have never been held accountable for anything who knows that there ins't anyone to hold them accountable.

 

[BigFrosty]

Considering 'all of the above' inflation, poor infrastructure, understaffed law enforcement agencies, and under budgeted social programs, the outlook for Nola is not good. They are losing corporations and projects to the Northshore and Texas left and right. The city needs to realign it's identity to their strengths, including electing people much more experienced with those strengths.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Considering 'all of the above' inflation, poor infrastructure, understaffed law enforcement agencies, and under budgeted social programs, the outlook for Nola is not good. They are losing corporations and projects to the Northshore and Texas left and right. The city needs to realign it's identity to their strengths, including electing people much more experienced with those strengths.

They should elect a hotel manager and a party planner????

Change starts at the individual, can the schools/local economy be better? Sure, but having a better school system doesn't automatically churn out better people, you can still be a shifty person with a decent job....you have to want to be better...right now all I see is a bunch of people who ain't s who don't care that they ain't s so they ain't trying to be s.

Sorry for sounding self righteous but blaming the environment for one's failure to me is a cop out...I know people who grew up without much...but they had drive to succeed and they made it out of where they're from: CTC, Treme, Uptown, 7th Ward/St Bernard....the ones that got left behind, I kinda could've called it way back then.

 

[Outbackjack]

You dont fix crime with more police, you fix crime by having programs to curb poverty and get folks working.

Lack of resources causes crime. In wealthy areas crime is waaaay down due to resources and jobs.

There’s the great conundrum.

If I’m starting a business….wanting to provide many jobs…..want to turn a positive bottom line…..I’m starting it in a wealthier/safer area.

No question.

So how to you get resources and jobs to downtrodden areas?

 

[CoolBrees]

So how to you get resources and jobs to downtrodden areas?

you provide backed, low interest loans, via tax subsidies given to local S&L, to individuals who live and/or work in the identified communities to purchase their homes and businesses.

For those homes and businesses that are owned/operated outside of the neighborhood by entities who do not wish to sell their property, re-initiate city codes to require higher standards of upkeep and impose higher property taxes, via an alien tax, to pay for public area beautification and the local solution homeless in the area.

Rent control for both residential properties and commercial businesses that are owned/operated in the area but lease property.

Codify that, like the state’s school budget for each school is determined per student, all private donations to public schools be compiled and distributed at the state level not the school or district. Then the donations are evenly distributed to every child and not just so the rich kid school can have new uniforms every year

Provide opportunity for ownership and make the schools at least workable and people will take care of the rest. People are really hardworking and proud if they just have the chance.

 

[BigFrosty]

They should elect a hotel manager and a party planner????

Aside from crime, Nola is becoming exponentially more expensive to live in. City revenue is increasingly becoming more dependent on tourism. Electing a mayor and/or city council that has vast hospitality experience would be an excellent idea.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Aside from crime, Nola is becoming exponentially more expensive to live in. City revenue is increasingly becoming more dependent on tourism. Electing a mayor and/or city council that has vast hospitality experience would be an excellent idea.

Remember when we thought hiring the ceo of Cox was a swell idea?

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

Certainly, the crime rates are up. But what has visibly increased is the sense of public disorder--that crimes can be committed so brazenly. Think of those shutting down major intersections as they do do-nuts in their cars or the time people jumped on top a police car with a police officer inside the unit.

I do not know the status of the police consent decree, but it needs to be revisited.

The city needs to increase by 50 percent the number of police officers.

The city needs a permanent Louisiana State Police presence.

And the district attorney needs to abolish his civil-rights division intended to free prisoners convicted by his two predecessors and to establish a special division intended to prosecute immediately those designated as the most violent criminals.

And yes, I am a proponent of the broken-windows approach to law enforcement. A sense of public disorder breeds greater public disorder.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I see its back to how it was in my teenage years (late 80s-early 90s).

Yes and no .



Take this with a canister of salt, since i have spent literally zero time in the City of New Orleans since i sold my house in Lakeview prior to the pandemic- but from what i understand from friends and family still in the area, as well as what i have been hearing and reading lately- the main difference between now and the 80s/90s when i was a kid and a young adult, is that back then you kinda knew WHERE to not go, and were almost 100% certain that if you avoided particular areas, you would not find yourself a victim of violent crime…. Now, it seems as though violent crime has seeped into every nook and cranny of the City… of course, you’re still less likely to be shot or killed if you mostly stick to areas like Audubon Park or the aforementioned Lakeview- but that’s definitely no guarantee anymore and you had better keep ur head on a swivel wherever you go .. I believe i even saw news the other day that there was a carjacking on Metairie Rd ? I realize that’s not technically ‘The City’ but im sorry, it’s literally closer to the heart of the City than Lakeview is.. and back when i was coming up, it was basically unheard of to have violent crime in OM .

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Certainly, the crime rates are up. But what has visibly increased is the sense of public disorder--that crimes can be committed so brazenly. Think of those shutting down major intersections as they do do-nuts in their cars or the time people jumped on top a police car with a police officer inside the unit.

I do not know the status of the police consent decree, but it needs to be revisited.

The city needs to increase by 50 percent the number of police officers.

The city needs a permanent Louisiana State Police presence.

And the district attorney needs to abolish his civil-rights division intended to free prisoners convicted by his two predecessors and to establish a special division intended to prosecute immediately those designated as the most violent criminals.

And yes, I am a proponent of the broken-windows approach to law enforcement. A sense of public disorder breeds greater public disorder.

This is what you think would work or you’ve researched it and have learned this is the most effective (short and longterm) approach
I ask because crime is one of the most heavily studied social phenomena and you can certainly find some data and anecdotes to support your approach, but most independent, longitudinal studies wouldn’t really support

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I think for me personally, the main way that this (perceived?) uptick in violent crime will manifest itself in my life, since i have long ago given up my days of getting sloshed and meandering around the Quarter after midnight, is that i find myself planning differently for Saints games (i still have my season tix even though i live out of state).. whereas i used to schedule trips home almost exclusively for Sunday night and Monday night games- now i am scheduling trips to attend games at Noon or 3pm, daytime games… I realize that walking back to my hotel in the Warehouse Dist is 99% safe after night games, what with all the crowds- but i do feel a sense of uneasiness now, compounded by the fact that we usually have young family members (think single digits or young teens) with us and are trying to be more safety-conscious .

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

Guido, I am not a criminologist or sociologist, and I have done no independent research. My comment on the need for the DA to establish a special division to pursue the most violent criminals is based in part on real-life experience. I believe totally that the DA should pursue a policy to quickly prosecute the most dangerous offenders and remove them from society for as long as possible. Every Tuesday morning at 6 am, Tommy Tucker does an interview with Peter Scharf (I am sure I misspelled his name), who is a criminologist with the LSU School of Public Health. The problem every week is that with the news segments, traffic reports, commercials, and banter between WWL announcers, the actual interview time each week might be 10 minutes spread over 40 minutes. But the actual discussion is excellent, and I heard about six weeks ago Scharf, who seems a tad progressive, estimate that about 400 or so were responsible for a good portion of the violent crime in the city. I would guess that a certain number would be juveniles, which poses on several levels a number of problems.

I do think there is a sense of public disorder in the city--the litter drives me crazy. And the fact that people can jump on an occupied police car and taunt the officer inside is simply incredible.

And I also believe that, in addition to a general sense of public disorder, certain crimes--armed robberies (which include car-jackings) and residence burglaries can kill a city. I have no hard numbers to support the next statement, but I keep hearing from friends that people with means are leaving Uptown and other parts of the city for St. Tammany and other parishes.

In late 2020, I moved back top the metro area. For several reasons, I did not consider Orleans Parish, though the principal reasons were crime, inadequate public services (streets that look like Berlin in 1946), and my perception that city government is inefficient and corrupt.

Regarding the broken-windows theory, there is no chance that New Orleans will introduce it because of the size of the police department, the consent degree, and changed attitudes on how aggressive law enforcement should be.

Finally, I am not one who refuses to travel into the city. But increasingly, I hear of people who say they try to avoid the city as much as possible. But I can say that I am more cautious in the city, especially at night, than I ever was before. I remember earlier this year attending a Pelicans game and thinking the police presence downtown was totally inadequate.

 

[Brennan77]

Guido, I am not a criminologist or sociologist, and I have done no independent research. My comment on the need for the DA to establish a special division to pursue the most violent criminals is based in part on real-life experience. I believe totally that the DA should pursue a policy to quickly prosecute the most dangerous offenders and remove them from society for as long as possible. Every Tuesday morning at 6 am, Tommy Tucker does an interview with Peter Scharf (I am sure I misspelled his name), who is a criminologist with the LSU School of Public Health. The problem every week is that with the news segments, traffic reports, commercials, and banter between WWL announcers, the actual interview time each week might be 10 minutes spread over 40 minutes. But the actual discussion is excellent, and I heard about six weeks ago Scharf, who seems a tad progressive, estimate that about 400 or so were responsible for a good portion of the violent crime in the city. I would guess that a certain number would be juveniles, which poses on several levels a number of problems.

I do think there is a sense of public disorder in the city--the litter drives me crazy. And the fact that people can jump on an occupied police car and taunt the officer inside is simply incredible.

And I also believe that, in addition to a general sense of public disorder, certain crimes--armed robberies (which include car-jackings) and residence burglaries can kill a city. I have no hard numbers to support the next statement, but I keep hearing from friends that people with means are leaving Uptown and other parts of the city for St. Tammany and other parishes.

In late 2020, I moved back top the metro area. For several reasons, I did not consider Orleans Parish, though the principal reasons were crime, inadequate public services (streets that look like Berlin in 1946), and my perception that city government is inefficient and corrupt.

Regarding the broken-windows theory, there is no chance that New Orleans will introduce it because of the size of the police department, the consent degree, and changed attitudes on how aggressive law enforcement should be.

Finally, I am not one who refuses to travel into the city. But increasingly, I hear of people who say they try to avoid the city as much as possible. But I can say that I am more cautious in the city, especially at night, than I ever was before. I remember earlier this year attending a Pelicans game and thinking the police presence downtown was totally inadequate.

I agree with you. Certain things become commonplace because the city tacitly sanctions them through inaction (and sometimes explicitly with action - ie tent cities).

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I agree with you. Certain things become commonplace because the city tacitly sanctions them through inaction (and sometimes explicitly with action - ie tent cities).

You seem like a pretty hardcore Uptown guy.. im just curious, since i know other folks like urself, some that have lived Uptown or in the Channel or Garden District for generations.. those people, like myself, think that moving to the Northshore or other areas not in Orleans Parish is basically like surrendering to the mob, and giving up on the City we love.. Is there a point at which you would consider such a move ? Are you getting close to that point ? Would it take something major, like a carjacking you were involved in, or your home getting broken into and an immediate family member shot.. or would it just take a million minor things.. or is there just no way on god’s green Earth youd ever consider abandoning the Channel/Uptown ?