Not sure I understand the arguement some make that we need to just wait another season and then fire DA. (2 Viewers)

[dvdman]

Not sure I understand the arguement some make that we (fans) need to just wait another season and then fire DA.
Why do we? I mean you want fans to put up their HARD EARNED money again to watch anohher (DA's third) of
what we saw Thursday night? That is just absurd. The fans deserve better starting next season. I don't care who
you bring in, it will be an improvement. I've been a Saints fan for 45 years! I survived 1-15 and this is worse because
like last season's team. There is too much talent on this team to be 7-8 when you also take into account our schedule.

 

[jasonsw]

Yep then we will be like Chargers, who should of fired thier coach after last season.

they fired him and Now have wasted a season for no reason

 

[inetnawlins]

I don’t think anyone is arguing that at this point. More like after season concludes.

 

[madsaint1967]

I agree, let's get this bake sale started. New Coach, New QB. Trade a couple players and get some draft picks. Start over with young players that can grow together.

 

[gregh]

saints had their easiest schedule in the history of the franchise and stand with a losing record. embarrassing and just plain pitiful. such a waste of an opportunity, no way they shouldnt be in the running for the top record right now..

 

[SweetT]

Not sure anyone can give 1 good valid reason to keep him for another year.

 

[EGLSShin]

Underhill basically said today that them fighting back in blowout games is basically saving DA and that it will take bad, lay down losses in the next two games to seal his fate. Chances are high of a year 3. John Hendrix currently has a 20% chance of DA being fired in his latest article.

https://www.si.com/nfl/saints/news/saints-what-does-future-hold-dennis-allen-loomis-carr

• Head Coach (20%) - Unless Dennis Allen loses the final two games and they're downright ugly, there doesn't seem much there to suggest that the Saints will move on from him. Not making the postseason with this roster is certainly not the expectation and should prompt those conversations, but I just don't get the feeling that New Orleans will pull the trigger here. I've honestly never got the sense that they're ready to move on. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport also hinted this on Friday.

 

[blackadder]

Not sure I understand the arguement some make that we (fans) need to just wait another season and then fire DA.
Why do we? I mean you want fans to put up their HARD EARNED money again to watch anohher (DA's third) of
what we saw Thursday night? That is just absurd. The fans deserve better starting next season. I don't care who
you bring in, it will be an improvement. I've been a Saints fan for 45 years! I survived 1-15 and this is worse because
like last season's team. There is too much talent on this team to be 7-8 when you also take into account our schedule.

It’s all an insult.

You need some kind of glimmer of hope. Even a limited team talent wise that is well coached, motivated and fights.

Even coaches can do one year prove it deals, or you agree to grade on a curve.

 

[sfidc3]

Because it’s a loser’s argument….not rational….stand Pat because in this whole wide world it’s just impossible that there may be better options….its total BS….

 

[JackDiesel]

Underhill basically said today that them fighting back in blowout games is basically saving DA and that it will take bad, lay down losses in the next two games to seal his fate. Chances are high of a year 3. John Hendrix currently has a 20% chance of DA being fired in his latest article.

https://www.si.com/nfl/saints/news/saints-what-does-future-hold-dennis-allen-loomis-carr

• Head Coach (20%) - Unless Dennis Allen loses the final two games and they're downright ugly, there doesn't seem much there to suggest that the Saints will move on from him. Not making the postseason with this roster is certainly not the expectation and should prompt those conversations, but I just don't get the feeling that New Orleans will pull the trigger here. I've honestly never got the sense that they're ready to move on. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport also hinted this on Friday.

I hate that they are probably right. These players are professionals, they won't just lay down although that's exactly what needs to happen.

Wasting Cam Jordan's final years on this clown. He deserves so much better.

 

[DSnfla]

Not sure I understand the arguement some make that we (fans) need to just wait another season and then fire DA.
Why do we? I mean you want fans to put up their HARD EARNED money again to watch anohher (DA's third) of
what we saw Thursday night? That is just absurd. The fans deserve better starting next season. I don't care who
you bring in, it will be an improvement. I've been a Saints fan for 45 years! I survived 1-15 and this is worse because
like last season's team. There is too much talent on this team to be 7-8 when you also take into account our schedule.

It's a ridiculous strategy. It's like saying " I need a heart transplant, but I'll just wait a yr and see if it gets better " Fix the biggest problem NOW , Fire DA

 

[Elvis]

I totally agree. I believe the sentiment is that if you fire DA and have no ability to immediately improve the roster for the next coach, that the new coach will be signing up for a potentially impossible situation. I don't necessarily disagree, but I think nearly all new coaches are facing that prospect. There aren't many teams that have had a coaching change with a great roster that could be fixed in the first season. If the roster was that good, the previous coach probably wouldn't have been fired.

I think the idea with a coaching change is that the old coach isn't getting what they should out of the current roster. It also serves to stop the acceptance of being losers in the locker room, to make sure that that never becomes the team culture. Those certainly apply to this team. So a new coach has a couple of different effects.

1. They have to come in and coach up a roster they can't immediately change. If they can't do that, then the change is pointless.
2. Set the priority for new player acquisition, both in the draft and free agency, that will help that new coach succeed by fitting the type of players they need. So the new coach has to be a scout as well.
3. Identify current players that are simply not going to help the team get better going forward.

With all of that taken into consideration, the Saints are in a prime position to change coaches now. The memories of being winners isn't so long ago. We still have players that are good and want to be here. We need new leadership to make sure that doesn't change. It only takes a couple of years too long to end up being the Browns of most of the last 30 years.

 

[jasonsw]

I hate that they are probably right. These players are professionals, they won't just lay down although that's exactly what needs to happen.

Wasting Cam Jordan's final years on this clown. He deserves so much better.

I hope Cam retires, he needs to think about his health at this point

 

[DSnfla]

I totally agree. I believe the sentiment is that if you fire DA and have no ability to immediately improve the roster for the next coach, that the new coach will be signing up for a potentially impossible situation. I don't necessarily disagree, but I think nearly all new coaches are facing that prospect. There aren't many teams that have had a coaching change with a great roster that could be fixed in the first season. If the roster was that good, the previous coach probably wouldn't have been fired.

I think the idea with a coaching change is that the old coach isn't getting what they should out of the current roster. It also serves to stop the acceptance of being losers in the locker room, to make sure that that never becomes the team culture. Those certainly apply to this team. So a new coach has a couple of different effects.

1. They have to come in and coach up a roster they can't immediately change. If they can't do that, then the change is pointless.
2. Set the priority for new player acquisition, both in the draft and free agency, that will help that new coach succeed by fitting the type of players they need. So the new coach has to be a scout as well.
3. Identify current players that are simply not going to help the team get better going forward.

With all of that taken into consideration, the Saints are in a prime position to change coaches now. The memories of being winners isn't so long ago. We still have players that are good and want to be here. We need new leadership to make sure that doesn't change. It only takes a couple of years too long to end up being the Browns of most of the last 30 years.

While we don't have a GREAT roster , we have a pretty good roster. 90% of our problems are COACHING at almost EVERY position. If we hire a new offensive HC along with a new staff if that can't coach up this roster , he's the WRONG guy. DA and this staff has no fire , no discipline no motivation and no accountability and most of all no clue. DA wants a team built on the 70's Steelers and it's not the 70's
This team just as it stands now with ANY good HC and staff is an 11 win team

 

[English]

There is no argument. He should have been fired after last season but was given this one to right the ship . Every other game looks like a preseason game. He’s failed and wasted assets. The path forward should be clear.