One of the biggest flaws I see on the Offensive side of the ball (5 Viewers)

[nakadish]

I don't enough short options ever. But, getting on the same page with a brand-new group of receivers can't be easy and most definitely not flawless.

Jackson is 5' 7". That's kinda short. And Tipton is only 5' 11". That's enough ain't it? I don't know that you want too many short guys.

 

[webster]

When the Falcons or any team blitzes against the Saints so far this season, I don't think it's handled well at all. Most of it I'll put on Carr. There were times yesterday he would change the play because I assume he saw a blitz coming. Yet when he gets the snap he seems indecisive, rolls out of the pocket and heaves the ball out of bounds. He ended up getting an intentional grounding call doing something like that late in the game. My thing is when the Falcons blitzed they were leaving the middle of the field WIDE OPEN!!! Yet no receiver was schemed to take advantage of that. If I could see that from my tv, you telling me no one could see that on the field!!!

I disagree, Carr wasn’t the problem yesterday. The man has zero time compared to most NFL qbs and still makes plays.

 

[VPCajun]

When the Falcons or any team blitzes against the Saints so far this season, I don't think it's handled well at all. Most of it I'll put on Carr. There were times yesterday he would change the play because I assume he saw a blitz coming. Yet when he gets the snap he seems indecisive, rolls out of the pocket and heaves the ball out of bounds. He ended up getting an intentional grounding call doing something like that late in the game. My thing is when the Falcons blitzed they were leaving the middle of the field WIDE OPEN!!! Yet no receiver was schemed to take advantage of that. If I could see that from my tv, you telling me no one could see that on the field!!!

Tell me again, how is that CARR's fault???

 

[Rouxble]

When the Falcons or any team blitzes against the Saints so far this season, I don't think it's handled well at all. Most of it I'll put on Carr. There were times yesterday he would change the play because I assume he saw a blitz coming. Yet when he gets the snap he seems indecisive, rolls out of the pocket and heaves the ball out of bounds. He ended up getting an intentional grounding call doing something like that late in the game. My thing is when the Falcons blitzed they were leaving the middle of the field WIDE OPEN!!! Yet no receiver was schemed to take advantage of that. If I could see that from my tv, you telling me no one could see that on the field!!!

The intentional grounding happened when top rated RT Penning was driven all the way into Carr’s lap, no one blitzed on that play. Kamara was open as the check down, but Penning was driven so far back that Ruiz’ pass rusher blocked off an escape to the right.


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[St. Widge]

ATL blitzed 48% of the time and didn’t sack Carr once. Qb sacks are a QB stat, so Carr deserves credit. The roll out throw-aways were probably due to an Olineman getting blown up.

Sacks are not a QB stat. They are a team stat because many things contribute to those numbers including OL play, how good your RBs are picking up blitzes, play calls, play design, how good your QB and WR are at both recognizing when to go to a hot route, how good the QB is at moving in the pocket, and how good a QB is at throwing it away when all else fails.

Carr is good at throwing it away when all else fails which is why he has low sack numbers, but he's not consistently good at the rest. And, I think you would prefer a guy who buys more time and might take a few more sacks while also making more plays with his arm or running when Carr would have just thrown it away.

 

[blotch1]

Most of it I'll put on Carr.

This is completely wrong.

Carr is partly at fault, but the majority is because we have no depth at o-line and a few major injuries were catastrophic.

 

[Rexman100]

Sacks are not a QB stat. They are a team stat because many things contribute to those numbers including OL play, how good your RBs are picking up blitzes, play calls, play design, how good your QB and WR are at both recognizing when to go to a hot route, how good the QB is at moving in the pocket, and how good a QB is at throwing it away when all else fails.

Carr is good at throwing it away when all else fails which is why he has low sack numbers, but he's not consistently good at the rest. And, I think you would prefer a guy who buys more time and might take a few more sacks while also making more plays with his arm or running when Carr would have just thrown it away.

Sacks are a "QB Stat" Not necessarily by PFF standards but by coaching standards, you've never heard this? its true, there's no way to measure if a Qb is holding onto the ball too long per play. (theres a measurement of release time, but its too general) Or if the Qb couldve just known when the play was over and threw it away. A ton of young QB's don't know when a play is over, and they'll take a sack or force a pick etc. You can never sack a QB that throws it away or throws a complete pass.

 

[St. Widge]

This is completely wrong.

Carr is partly at fault, but the majority is because we have no depth at o-line and a few major injuries were catastrophic.

All that is really missing on the OL right now is McCoy and he should be back this week. Some of the issue with blitzes is on Carr for not calling audibles when he sees it and for not communicating the hot route to his WRs and RBs. And some of it is on the play calling for not having better options when the blitz comes. It was clear when Rattler was in at QB that Kubiak did not really have a good answer for the blitz. But, part of that is that we don't have big contested catch guys to run routes over the middle in traffic or hot routes. The only weapon we really have against the blitz is to use the screen game with Kamar, which we did well last game, to attempt to stop them from bringing the blitz. It's part of why we need a big contested catch guy. Having a guy like MT that can run those quick slants is a great way to beat the blitz but we don't have that guy right now.

 

[St. Widge]

Sacks are a "QB Stat" Not necessarily by PFF standards but by coaching standards, you've never heard this?

I've heard it. I just completely disagree with it.

 

[Rexman100]

I've heard it. I just completely disagree with it.

i edited my post to explain my thoughts on it.

 

[iamsaved]

When the Falcons or any team blitzes against the Saints so far this season, I don't think it's handled well at all. Most of it I'll put on Carr. There were times yesterday he would change the play because I assume he saw a blitz coming. Yet when he gets the snap he seems indecisive, rolls out of the pocket and heaves the ball out of bounds. He ended up getting an intentional grounding call doing something like that late in the game. My thing is when the Falcons blitzed they were leaving the middle of the field WIDE OPEN!!! Yet no receiver was schemed to take advantage of that. If I could see that from my tv, you telling me no one could see that on the field!!!

Other than no starting caliber wide receivers nothing.

 

[St.Dan]

Agreed. Drew would know exactly who he was going to once he diagnosed the blitz. Hike, 2-3 steps, pass.

True, but that was much easier to do with the o-lines we had during the best of times. We don't have anywhere near that level of talent or experience right now.

 

[blotch1]

All that is really missing on the OL right now is McCoy

McCoy's backup is Lucas Patrick. He has been hurt most of ther season and missed the Falcons game. The next in line is Shane Lemieux who was also not 100% for the game and was listed on the injury report all week.

Plus there's Ramczyk who is missing the whole season.

 

[St. Widge]

Sacks are a "QB Stat" Not necessarily by PFF standards but by coaching standards, you've never heard this? its true, there's no way to measure if a Qb is holding onto the ball too long per play. (theres a measurement of release time, but its too general) Or if the Qb couldve just known when the play was over and threw it away. A ton of young QB's don't know when a play is over, and they'll take a sack or force a pick etc. You can never sack a QB that throws it away or throws a complete pass.

In response to the edit. I think all that shows is that some sacks are the fault of the QB and others aren't. So I think if you want to have a QB stat for sacks, you need to look at each sack individually and decide if it was the fault of the QB or something else. Otherwise, I don't think treating sacks as a QB stat is really a useful analytical tool. Put another way, not getting sacked a lot doesn't make you a good QB, but it is true that lots of good QBs don't get sacked a lot. But, I don't think the stat itself tells the full story.

There are times that a QB gets hit from the blind side where he can't get rid of the ball. And there are times when a QB should move up in the pocket or roll out to make a play to avoid a sack instead of just throwing it away. Sometimes that move ends up in a sack, but I think you would rather that than a guy just throwing it away every time he feels pressure.

So while sure some sacks are the fault of the QB, not all of them are because as I said some are caused by scheme, play call, play design, missed assignment, OL getting beat, etc. and can not be avoided. It's why we now have advanced stats on how long a QB holds the ball and how much time he has to throw. It's because not all sacks are equal and not all sacks are solely the fault of the QB which is why I don't think it's right to call it a QB stat. And on the other side, a lack of sacks isn't necessarily because the QB is good. It could be that you just run the ball a lot, use a lot of quick passes, you have a great OL, or the QB is throwing the ball away too early.

And FWIW, some people also think wins and losses are QB stats to and I disagree with that for similar reasons.

 

[St. Widge]

McCoy's backup is Lucas Patrick. He has been hurt most of ther season and missed the Falcons game. The next in line is Shane Lemieux who was also not 100% for the game and was listed on the injury report all week.

Plus there's Ramczyk who is missing the whole season.

I mean this is the starting OL outside of McCoy and McGovern was a 9 year vet starting at Center and he has started the last 5 games. And Ram is effectively no longer on the team. He would have retired in the offseason but stayed on the injured list and will retire in the next offseason to help the Saints' cap.