Oops, that's my number (Senator Vitter)[MULTI-MERGED] (1 Viewer)

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mg450 said:
Go back and read the rest of that pst and respond instead of being conveniently dismissive.
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Sorry, but I'm not going to engage someone who can't do anything better than try to paint me with meaningless statements like "card-carrying member" and "drinking the Kool-aid." I read your entire post. Since you seem to know whether or not I'm upset at Vitter's actions, you tell everyone.
RJ in Lafayette said:
I don't want to defend Vitter and his conduct. Certainly not on a personal level. Put I think it has to be put in some perspective. Again, he obviously has some significant failings and his demons. And it seems to safe to conclude that his marriage was some time was troubled.

But--on a personal level--I don't like sticking my nose in the marriages of other people. And I draw a distinction between personal morality and public morality, as do others, though in different ways. [...]

If you find his conduct unacceptable, vote him out in 2010. ... But yes, I am bothered by our using evidence of personal failings to politically destroy political opponents and am bothered by our modern culture so quickly highlighting the personal failings of the well-known.
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If David Vitter committed a crime, then charge him, arrest him, convict him and send him to jail. As for his personal life, either give him the same pass that you gave him to Clinton, or treat every other politician who commits private discretions the same way you are treating him.
 
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bienv said:
Sorry, but I'm not going to engage someone who can't do anything better than try to paint me with meaningless statements like "card-carrying member" and "drinking the Kool-aid." I read your entire post. Since you seem to know whether or not I'm upset at Vitter's actions, you tell everyone.
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If David Vitter committed a crime, then charge him, arrest him, convict him and send him to jail. As for his personal life, either give him the same pass that you gave him to Clinton, or treat every other politician who commits private discretions the same way you are treating him.
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OK. If you were offended by my term "card carrying member." I apologize. Still, if you will be so kind, I would appreciate an answer to the question. You second point is about giving the same pass to Clinton and Vitter - that gets to my question and what your natural and immediate response was to both. I think you hitting on something - I think most dems and reps and libs and conservatives alike have different responses depending on who it is. That's all I'm saying - and asking of you.
 
When Clinton comes clean about his marital infidelity and publically apologizes for it, then I will forgive him. He revealed and admitted that he had lied under oath. He was charged with perjury and impeached. I beleive that he should have been removed from office, but he wasn't, and that's a done issue.

If Vitter is guilty of committing a crime, then he should do his time. I am not part of the law-enforcement process that would determine whether or not he is guilty, so I will treat him as innocent until he is found guilty.

Clinton's marital infidelity is none of my business as long as it doesn't take place in the White House. As far as I am concerned, what happens in the White House is an issue of national security, and as an American citizen I demand that that security not be compromised, especially by the sexual wantonness of the President of the United States.

Satisfied?
 
If Vitter can be outed by the DC madam and now the Canal street brothel madam is saying he used to visit her place, then where are the names of the others? I want full disclosure so I can see who all the other hypocrits are as well. I want to see if any of the ones screaming the loudest against Vitter have any skeletons in their closets. Surely both of these lists have more than one name on them.
 
bienv said:
When Clinton comes clean about his marital infidelity and publically apologizes for it, then I will forgive him. He revealed and admitted that he had lied under oath. He was charged with perjury and impeached. I beleive that he should have been removed from office, but he wasn't, and that's a done issue.

If Vitter is guilty of committing a crime, then he should do his time. I am not part of the law-enforcement process that would determine whether or not he is guilty, so I will treat him as innocent until he is found guilty.

Clinton's marital infidelity is none of my business as long as it doesn't take place in the White House. As far as I am concerned, what happens in the White House is an issue of national security, and as an American citizen I demand that that security not be compromised, especially by the sexual wantonness of the President of the United States.

Satisfied?
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Actually, not satisfied - I asked for immediate reaction, not later reflection. Immediate reaction of the news was well before any perjury occurred (and though I dont recall) probably before we knew it was in the white house. So I am asking about immediate response.

And as for the in the White House deal, I've never gotten that one. One, I don't think it's a national security issue - a national disgrace perhaps, but not national security. And he's the president. They can't go to the Sugar Bowl Suites Motel or the Canal Street Brothel. They live, eat, sleep, go bowling, and go to the movies all in the White House. End of story. It is either in the White House or not at all. Where do you think JFK and Marilyn Monroe where getting it on? And any of the other presidents rumored to have had affairs (including FDR, Harding and others)? I think the White House deal is just another think to get fired up about.
 
That is the most awesome thing that I have heard all day.

/feeshees
 
Vitter wore diapers during paid sex with hookers??

If true, this thing ain't going away quickly. The ewww factor just doubled for a lot of folks.

That's a little freaky. I guess normal noncommercial heterosexual adultery didn't do it for him like Clinton, Livingston, Gingrich, etc.
 
DadsDream said:
Diaperman David Vitter Likes His Diapers

When Republican Senator David Vitter rented prostitutes back home in New Orleans, there was “more than sex” — he liked the hookers to make him wear diapers. And that makes this campaign ad dug up by Talking Points Memo all the more hilarious and disgusting.
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Republican reds. :mwink:
 
Vitter on the Issues:
  • Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
  • Voted YES on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
  • Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
  • Voted YES on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
  • Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
  • Voted YES on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)
  • Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
  • Voted YES on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
  • Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
  • Discontinue affirmative action programs. (Nov 2002)
  • Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
  • Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
  • Voted YES on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
  • Voted YES on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
  • Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
  • Supports anti-flag desecration amendment. (Mar 2001)
  • Rated 7% by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
  • Impose truth in sentencing. (Nov 2002)
  • Broaden use of death penalty. (Nov 2002)
  • Voted NO on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
  • Voted YES on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
  • Rated 20% by CURE, indicating anti-rehabilitation crime votes. (Dec 2000)
  • Voted YES on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids. (Apr 2003)
  • Rated 100% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)
http://senate.ontheissues.org/Senate/David_Vitter.htm
Here's more:
http://senate.ontheissues.org/Social/David_Vitter_Abortion.htm

I'll bet it's time to change his diaper. :angryrazz:
 
RJ in Lafayette said:
B74, my point on underaged drinking is that an admission of conduct that violates a criminal statute--regardless of the statute, regardless of the classification of the criminal offense, regardless of when the offense occurred, regardless of whether there was a conviction, regardless of whether a prosecution can take place because of statutes of limitations, regardless of the wisdom of making the conduct criminal--should not necessarily result in the resignation of an elected official.

I don't want to defend Vitter and his conduct. Certainly not on a personal level. But I think it has to be put in some perspective. Again, he obviously has some significant failings and his demons. And it seems to safe to conclude that his marriage was some time was troubled.

But--on a personal level--I don't like sticking my nose in the marriages of other people. And I draw a distinction between personal morality and public morality, as do others, though in different ways. Years ago, in Dick Daley's Chicago, the good mayor sanctioned those who practiced a little corruption, but not those who cheated on their wives.

If you find his conduct unacceptable, vote him out in 2010. Certainly, that campaign has gotten a whole lot more difficult for him.

But yes, I am bothered by our using evidence of personal failings to politically destroy political opponents and am bothered by our modern culture so quickly highlighting the personal failings of the well-known.

And mg, I obviously do not identify with the religious right (and in fact have been critical of the influence of the religious right in American politics and of social values campaigns). I guess here is where I am coming from.

First, I really don't care about the family life of politicians. I care about their intellect, their political courage, their political integrity, their political judgment. I care more that, for example, a Senator with strong doubts about a war would remain silent because of political fear than that a Senator would cheat on his or her spouse become of personal weakness. That's just me, but over the years I am learned to because suspicious whenever a politician wraps himself in his flag or in his family.

And second, I have learned, on the level of personal morality, that life can be awfully complex, and that one should not be quick to judge another person's marriage or children. I realize a big part of this discussion is Vitter's hypocrisy. I agree. He is guilty of massive hypocrisy. But it seems to me that we are talking more about his role as a husband and father than his role as a U.S. Senator, especially for conduct that I think predated his election to the Senate.
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It's not just about what goes on between Vitter and his family. He has a long history of soliciting prostitutes. That's illegal and it says something about his ethical standards, which are extremely relevant to his duties as Senator. I'm not saying he should be expelled from the Senate, I just don't think it should be taken as strictly a family matter.
 
Some new Vitter developments:

Republicans pondering next move in Vitter scandal

BATON ROUGE — Some top Republicans are discussing whether to ask U.S. Sen. David Vitter to resign and packaging a deal with Democratic Gov. Kathleen Blanco to appoint a place holding Republican to take his place.

Speculation has centered around former Gov. David Treen, a Republican defeated by Vitter in the 1999 U.S. Congressional race. Treen and his camp were in private meetings in Metairie today.

http://www.theadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070711/NEWS01/70711046/1002


Hustler publisher says he has linked “five prostitutes in New Orleans” to Vitter

BATON ROUGE — Hustler magazine publisher Larry Flynt said he has linked “five prostitutes in New Orleans” with Republican U.S. Sen. David Vitter, a “family values” advocate.

Flynt said the five would share in a $1 million bounty his magazine offered for those who provide credible information about sexual infidelities of politicians in Congress who back family values.

http://www.theadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070711/NEWS01/707110301/1002


Will Vitter Resign?

http://www.theind.com/blog/2007/07/will-vitter-resign.asp
 

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