Oops, that's my number (Senator Vitter)[MULTI-MERGED] (1 Viewer)

[Zardnok]

I am proud of Senator Vitter... Instead of taking bribe money and screwing the public, he is paying sex money and screwing a prostitute.

Stifle commerce by hording cash in a freezer or promote commerce at the base level by giving a "working girl" (perhaps single mother) cash for services rendered... I am siding on the side of hooking up the single mom every time!!

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

SF11, I understand and appreciate your point. I am still not sure what it says about his sense of ethics with regard to his duties as a U.S. Senator or elected official. But it certainly says something about his belief in being entitled--that he is above ordinary people and ordinary rules and about an exceptional arrogance that is simply reckless. I have never been a particular fan of Vitter.

But the public humiliation seems a sufficient public penalty for what he has done. Vitter for the rest of his life, regardless of what else he does, will have to answer the question why from his children and will know that his obituary will discuss this scandal. And because of the way the disclosure has come out--Larry Flynt offering a reward for information to destroy politicians--we have seen further debasement of our political process.

And I don't believe he will resign.

 

[SaintsFan11]

SF11, I understand and appreciate your point. I am still not sure what it says about his sense of ethics with regard to his duties as a U.S. Senator or elected official. But it certainly says something about his belief in being entitled--that he is above ordinary people and ordinary rules and about an exceptional arrogance that is simply reckless. I have never been a particular fan of Vitter.

But the public humiliation seems a sufficient public penalty for what he has done. Vitter for the rest of his life, regardless of what else he does, will have to answer the question why from his children and will know that his obituary will discuss this scandal. And because of the way the disclosure has come out--Larry Flynt offering a reward for information to destroy politicians--we have seen further debasement of our political process.

I agree that the public humiliation is significant punishment. Let him decide if it's worth staying in office, let the voters decide if it's worth keeping him in office.

 

[jimwnola]

The argument that it is "crime" is a bit silly. It is a misdemeanor, along with parking tickets, speeding, misreporting taxes, underage drinking, experimenting with drugs, ticket scalping, gambling, etc. He hasn't even been charged, let alone convicted. If we keep making every poltician accused of a misdemeanor resign, we will never have any seniority and none of our representatives will last more than a few months.

On other hand, I find his "confessing his sin" to be just more of the same family value bs.
I'm not religious and find people who constantly cloak themselves in Religous vlaues, while doing "immoral things" a bit nauseating.

 

[SaintsFan11]

When Clinton comes clean about his marital infidelity and publically apologizes for it, then I will forgive him.

August 17, 1998: "I did have a relationship with Miss Lewinsky that was not appropriate. In fact, it was wrong.

"I misled people, including even my wife. I deeply regret that."


September 4, 1998: "I made a big mistake. It is indefensible and I am sorry.

"I can't disagree with anyone else who wants to be critical of what I have already acknowledged is indefensible. There's nothing that he (Sen. Joseph Lieberman) or anyone else could say in a personally critical way that I don't imagine I would disagree with since I have already said it myself, to myself, and I'm very sorry about it, but there's nothing else I can say."


September 9, 1998: "I've tried to do a good job taking care of this country, even when I haven't taken such good care of myself and my family and my obligations. I hope that you and others I have injured will forgive me for the mistakes I've made."


http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/09/10/apology/


I hope you can forgive Clinton and end this long national nightmare.

Now can you forgive Vitter, who unlike Clinton, hasn't asked for your forgiveness?

 

[DadsDream]

I am proud of Senator Vitter... Instead of taking bribe money and screwing the public, he is paying sex money and screwing a prostitute.

You obviously didn't read the part of the thread where we talked about him taking Jack Abramoff's money, provided by the Coushatta Tribe (Grand Casino Coushatta) which was seeking to block the Jena Choctaw from getting a casino in Central Louisiana.

Vitter and Blanco have strongly opposed the Jena Choctaw...on purely moral grounds, you understand.

The Federal Bureau of Indian Affairs and the Jena Choctaw have politely told Vitter and Blanco to stuff it.

Vitter and Blanco have since published symbolic letters of opposition.

The Grant Parish Police Jury has voted to pass a symbolic resolution of support for the Jena Choctaw.

I'm not sure if Vitter ever gave Abramoff's Coushatta Tribe money back.

 

[da nite tripper]

I'll bet it's time to change his diaper.

That's gold Sabine, gold!

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I am proud of Senator Vitter...

 

[jimwnola]

For the 101st time, Clinton was disbarred for his conduct by the Arkansas Bar Association (apparently you can't abbreviate Association here -- good grief), which is a nonpolitical professional organization. Any lawyer knows it takes serious conduct to be disbarred. He lied in a deposition, he lied to a grand jury.., under oath each time...

I voted for Clinton the 1st time he ran, knowing of indiscretions with the Flowers at the time. His relative candor, at that time, was almost refreshing. Having his handlers go on an all-out assault against Monica, dragging her name throught the mud and pretty much accusing her of being a lying whore, before the evidence of the blue dress emerged was reprehensible conduct.

 

[MLU]

If this comes to pass, I hope Blanco tells the GOP "Give me Cat 5 levee funding in NOLA or I'll stick Mitch Landrieu in Vitter's spot."

 

[champ76]

SF11, I understand and appreciate your point. I am still not sure what it says about his sense of ethics with regard to his duties as a U.S. Senator or elected official. But it certainly says something about his belief in being entitled--that he is above ordinary people and ordinary rules and about an exceptional arrogance that is simply reckless. I have never been a particular fan of Vitter.

But the public humiliation seems a sufficient public penalty for what he has done. Vitter for the rest of his life, regardless of what else he does, will have to answer the question why from his children and will know that his obituary will discuss this scandal. And because of the way the disclosure has come out--Larry Flynt offering a reward for information to destroy politicians--we have seen further debasement of our political process.

And I don't believe he will resign.

Isn't it ironic(or perhaps more than irony) that a Senator who remains mostly in the background, whose one big time in the sun is the immigration bill debate when he took on the powers that be to oppose the bill, and within two weeks the neck which he stuck out is cut off?

 

[jimwnola]

Why, do you think Hustler was about to do an illegal immigrant pictorial?

 

[Broad St. Saint]

Isn't it ironic(or perhaps more than irony) that a Senator who remains mostly in the background, whose one big time in the sun is the immigration bill debate when he took on the powers that be to oppose the bill, and within two weeks the neck which he stuck out is cut off?

Do you think Bush/Cheney outed Vitter as reprisal for undercutting the guest worker/amnesty bill their business backers so desperately wanted?

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

So Roy Fletcher, who's doing Jindal's media work, thinks Vitter won't last the week (or at least he has been quoted as saying that). Way to go, Roy. With friends like you, politicians don't need enemeies (unless we're talking about Larry Flynt).

What's going to happen?

First, Dave Treen needs to stop talking about his going to the Senate--Dave, look for a vacation home in Destin or Arizona--and the crazy GOP committee people need to stop talking about Vitter becoming a Democrat.

Second, Kathleen isn't cutting any deals. She's enjoying seeing Vitter and his party twist in the wind. Does the word Schadenfreunde come to mind? Because it's Vitter, Kathleen is particularly enjoying this. She surely would welcome Vitter resigning, but she surely is not going to agree that another Republican should take his place.

Third, if Vitter's actions ended in 2001--and there now seems doubt about whether he visited the Canal Street brothel--this story as a national story ends in a week. If Vitter says I'm sorry, but this is six years old, and I'm not resigning, what are you going to do?

Fourth, again if this is about conduct between 1999 and 2001, Wendy Vitter can affect public opinion in a news cycle. If she comes out and says: I have known this. David's conduct almost destroyed our marriage, but because of our children we worked hard to save our marriage. David and I are both humiliated by Larry Flynt's disclosure, but we are adults. But this story is about something that happened eight years ago. I have four children. The oldest is 13, and our youngest is four. It has hurt badly my four children, and I will never, never forgive Larry Flynt for what he has done. And if Larry Flynt thinks that his blackmail tactics are going to change how my husband votes on issues, he is totally mistaken. Our marriage with hard work overcame what actially happened. And we are not to run or quit because of news stories about what happened years ago in the past.

This doesn't mean Vitter won't have problems in 2010. But news becomes old fast. And Bill Clinton makes today how much per speech?

 

[bienv]

I hope you can forgive Clinton and end this long national nightmare.

Now can you forgive Vitter, who unlike Clinton, hasn't asked for your forgiveness?

I can forgive Clinton for his sexual indiscretions. I take it that you will forgive Vitter of his in the name of fairness.

This doesn't mean that Clinton is off the hook for perjury. If Vitter has to do his time, Clinton has to do his. Clinton never offered to resign, and he's still praised by a fan base that ignores his sins while reaming others (Bush, Vitter, etc.) for the same sins.