Pats and Vrabel in contract talks per Pelissero (2 Viewers)

[greatshow25]

It was done before they fired Mayo. It was probably done before they even hired Mayo, they only went with Mayo because he had language in his contract that he was to be the coaching successor to Bill.

I was telling my brother this. I think they wanted him last year and people said he was a favorite until they heard about Mayo’s clause.

 

[madsaint1967]

Good, less competition for us. We have one less suitor for our pick, whoever that may be.

 

[Saintman2884]

He has a winning record. The stats speak for themselves. Tennessee firing him was one of the biggest blunders they've made and they havent been the same since.

Ask Tennessee fans and most would tell you they wish he never left.

Not only that. There's a certain running back they had who is doing quite well in Baltimore.

Ehh, maybe it was a dumb decision and perhaps the Titans mightve done better this year if Vrabel were their HC, but if one looks more closely at the teams' overall results, win-loss record, I think after 2020/21 seasons, Vrabel had kind of peaked in terms of how far he was going to take the Titans to the playoffs. I believe even Vrabel understood he had probably done all he was going to do with Tennessee and their organization and FO made it easier for him to seek a new challenge. I'm not sure Derrick Henry stays in Tennessee even if they retain Vrabel because he recognized at age 30, he wasnt going to any SB's as a Titan and the team had already had their chances from 2019-21 and they blew it.

 

[Saint Greg]

Good, less competition for us. We have one less suitor for our pick, whoever that may be.

Yes. Hopefully the Bears hire Pete Carroll.

 

[RaginCajun83]

Well no kidding

 

[St.Fury]

Ehh, maybe it was a dumb decision and perhaps the Titans mightve done better this year if Vrabel were their HC, but if one looks more closely at the teams' overall results, win-loss record, I think after 2020/21 seasons, Vrabel had kind of peaked in terms of how far he was going to take the Titans to the playoffs. I believe even Vrabel understood he had probably done all he was going to do with Tennessee and their organization and FO made it easier for him to seek a new challenge. I'm not sure Derrick Henry stays in Tennessee even if they retain Vrabel because he recognized at age 30, he wasnt going to any SB's as a Titan and the team had already had their chances from 2019-21 and they blew it.

That's all missing the point. Dave was responding to the comment that Vrabel had a losing history. I only did a very quick search, but his record as head coach looks to be 54-45. Thats fairly decent.

 

[Saint Jack]

Ehh, maybe it was a dumb decision and perhaps the Titans mightve done better this year if Vrabel were their HC, but if one looks more closely at the teams' overall results, win-loss record, I think after 2020/21 seasons, Vrabel had kind of peaked in terms of how far he was going to take the Titans to the playoffs. I believe even Vrabel understood he had probably done all he was going to do with Tennessee and their organization and FO made it easier for him to seek a new challenge. I'm not sure Derrick Henry stays in Tennessee even if they retain Vrabel because he recognized at age 30, he wasnt going to any SB's as a Titan and the team had already had their chances from 2019-21 and they blew it.

I’m always skeptical of this take.
Look at the Saints from 12-16. 5 years and 1 playoff appearance.
Picture Payton leaving at that moment. You probably won’t get 17-20.
And while it didn’t include a Super Bowl, it was still an overall fun time with a lot of wins.

 

[Saint Greg]

Yeah Hamilton hasn't coached since 2021, Leftwich hasn't coaches since 2023.

I was questioning AG turning down the Pats interview. But I think it’s clear he made the right move. Now the Pats sham process has been exposed by being forced to interview guys who aren’t even coaching anymore just so they can hurry up and beat everyone else to Vrabel.

 

[TribuneUK]

Yes. Hopefully the Bears hire Pete Carroll.

I mean, this seems like the best fit in terms of both a franchise and coach best known for a blue collar approach with a focus on defense, a strong running game and steady play at the QB position.

 

[Saint Greg]

I mean, this seems like the best fit in terms of both a franchise and coach best known for a blue collar approach with a focus on defense, a strong running game and steady play at the QB position.

If it were me I’d be looking for someone to develop Caleb Williams. Kliff Kingsbury might be the best guy for that. But if they go defensive I think it’s better for us since I’m wanting an offensive guy.

 

[TribuneUK]

If it were me I’d be looking for someone to develop Caleb Williams. Kliff Kingsbury might be the best guy for that. But if they go defensive I think it’s better for us since I’m wanting an offensive guy.

Yeah, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think Carroll had shown he can utilize QB talent within the framework of an effective O, although he won't be producing the kind of fireworks that gets fans hot. But if you can win (forever ) then that detail is quickly forgotten.

 

[Saintman2884]

I’m always skeptical of this take.
Look at the Saints from 12-16. 5 years and 1 playoff appearance.
Picture Payton leaving at that moment. You probably won’t get 17-20.
And while it didn’t include a Super Bowl, it was still an overall fun time with a lot of wins.

Yeah, but you're also forgetting Payton and Brees' "golden era" from 2006-11 where we made the post-season four times, advanced to two NFCCG'S, won one and then won the biggest game in franchise history (SB 44) then that deflating, ultra-bitter, devastating loss to Niners in the 2011 NFC Divisional Rd. game which after that season led to "Bounty gate" controversy, losing draft picks, the cover-up stigma for the NFL's decades-long ignorance and dirty laundry for elderly players suffering from CTE-related symptoms and notable ex-players like Dave Duerson, Andre Waters, Junior Seau--we were Goodell's perfect, convenient scapegoats to show he was "doing something" when he really wasn't. Payton is suspended for the entire 2012 season, forbidden to have any contact with anyone--players, assistant coaches, FO personnel--save for being allowed to show up for a 2012 SNF game as a spectator to see Brees' break Unitas record for most consecutive NFL games with a TD pass vs. San Diego Chargers. Meanwhile, Goodell tries to use his allied owner-minions to not resign Payton, to let him go somewhere else so one of them might be able to eventually sign him and forking BS us and Benson by claiming it would be "mutually beneficial" for both sides.

The NFL FO, Goodell, and other jealous, perturbed owners tried and succeeded in some respects forking us over nunerous different ways, Jack and I'll never forget and forgive them for that. That sordid period is when Roger Goodell became the #1 intractable enemy for 99.9% of all Saints fans on this site or other related ones. The Devil himself, even for hardcore athiests and agnostics among us. When Payton returned a year later, it was a radically different team, organization, culture and attitude and he essentially had to do a mini-rebuild and our 2017-2020 run was mostly due to having one of our best drafts since 2006.

Unlike 2006-2011, we all instinctively knew those great teams from 2017-2020 had an eventual expiration date and it would start that day Drew Brees' decided to retire in January 2021 so it was kind of a race against time to see how much we could win and how far we could advance in the postseason with Brees' last remaining really decent seasons.

 

[Saint Jack]

Yeah, but you're also forgetting Payton and Brees' "golden era" from 2006-11 where we made the post-season four times, advanced to two NFCCG'S, won one and then won the biggest game in franchise history (SB 44) then that deflating, ultra-bitter, devastating loss to Niners in the 2011 NFC Divisional Rd. game which after that season led to "Bounty gate" controversy, losing draft picks, the cover-up stigma for the NFL's decades-long ignorance and dirty laundry for elderly players suffering from CTE-related symptoms and notable ex-players like Dave Duerson, Andre Waters, Junior Seau--we were Goodell's perfect, convenient scapegoats to show he was "doing something" when he really wasn't. Payton is suspended for the entire 2012 season, forbidden to have any contact with anyone--players, assistant coaches, FO personnel--save for being allowed to show up for a 2012 SNF game as a spectator to see Brees' break Unitas record for most consecutive NFL games with a TD pass vs. San Diego Chargers. Meanwhile, Goodell tries to use his allied owner-minions to not resign Payton, to let him go somewhere else so one of them might be able to eventually sign him and forking BS us and Benson by claiming it would be "mutually beneficial" for both sides.

The NFL FO, Goodell, and other jealous, perturbed owners tried and succeeded in some respects forking us over nunerous different ways, Jack and I'll never forget and forgive them for that. That sordid period is when Roger Goodell became the #1 intractable enemy for 99.9% of all Saints fans on this site or other related ones. The Devil himself, even for hardcore athiests and agnostics among us. When Payton returned a year later, it was a radically different team, organization, culture and attitude and he essentially had to do a mini-rebuild and our 2017-2020 run was mostly due to having one of our best drafts since 2006.

Unlike 2006-2011, we all instinctively knew those great teams from 2017-2020 had an eventual expiration date and it would start that day Drew Brees' decided to retire in January 2021 so it was kind of a race against time to see how much we could win and how far we could advance in the postseason with Brees' last remaining really decent seasons.

Not to go off topic, but why would every owner be jealous enough to mess with the 18 NFCCG?
This is the point I can’t get around.
Out of all the franchises to have success in the 00s, why the Saints?

 

[Saint Jack]

Yeah, but you're also forgetting Payton and Brees' "golden era" from 2006-11 where we made the post-season four times, advanced to two NFCCG'S, won one and then won the biggest game in franchise history (SB 44) then that deflating, ultra-bitter, devastating loss to Niners in the 2011 NFC Divisional Rd. game which after that season led to "Bounty gate" controversy, losing draft picks, the cover-up stigma for the NFL's decades-long ignorance and dirty laundry for elderly players suffering from CTE-related symptoms and notable ex-players like Dave Duerson, Andre Waters, Junior Seau--we were Goodell's perfect, convenient scapegoats to show he was "doing something" when he really wasn't. Payton is suspended for the entire 2012 season, forbidden to have any contact with anyone--players, assistant coaches, FO personnel--save for being allowed to show up for a 2012 SNF game as a spectator to see Brees' break Unitas record for most consecutive NFL games with a TD pass vs. San Diego Chargers. Meanwhile, Goodell tries to use his allied owner-minions to not resign Payton, to let him go somewhere else so one of them might be able to eventually sign him and forking BS us and Benson by claiming it would be "mutually beneficial" for both sides.

The NFL FO, Goodell, and other jealous, perturbed owners tried and succeeded in some respects forking us over nunerous different ways, Jack and I'll never forget and forgive them for that. That sordid period is when Roger Goodell became the #1 intractable enemy for 99.9% of all Saints fans on this site or other related ones. The Devil himself, even for hardcore athiests and agnostics among us. When Payton returned a year later, it was a radically different team, organization, culture and attitude and he essentially had to do a mini-rebuild and our 2017-2020 run was mostly due to having one of our best drafts since 2006.

Unlike 2006-2011, we all instinctively knew those great teams from 2017-2020 had an eventual expiration date and it would start that day Drew Brees' decided to retire in January 2021 so it was kind of a race against time to see how much we could win and how far we could advance in the postseason with Brees' last remaining really decent seasons.

But to the first point, it’s still letting a coach stay through some hurdles.
And avoiding the trigger finger when it comes to firing coaches.

 

[soggymoss84]

Done