Payton on being one of the least injured teams in the NFL

[RJ in Lafayette]

This thread has gone in so many different directions. Three issues discussed:

My impression is that Payton in fact wanted to draft Mahomes in 2017. I would be surprised if the Saints advised Mahomes that with certainty they were going to draft him, Mahomes did not want to go to New Orleans (with Payton as a head coach and Brees as an aging quarterback and mentor), and Mahomes convinced Kansas City to draft up and pick him.

Also, I don't know of any resentment shown by Pete Rozelle towards New Orleans. By nature, Rozelle was not a petty man. And Russell Long was as important as Hale Boggs in the NFL getting its antitrust exemption for the two leagues to merge, and Long remained a power in the Senate for years and was someone the NFL would not want to slight.

I did not think that Payton was taking a shot at the Saints. I do think he is tempting fate. The number of injuries the Saints and Pelicans have suffered is staggering. We seem to be doing wrong. And I also wonder about the Saints not stressing enough in the evaluation process injuries and games missed. But luck is a factor.

 

[Fiyo]

Mike has the resume but at this point of his career does he have the fire in the belly? (aside from alot of twinkies). He lived off Rodgers in GB. In Dallas he had a talented roster built by Will McClay and Stephen Jones, so and the playoff herpa derpa offsets his regular season success. Granted, Jerry killed the Cowboys 2024 season by unnecessarily making CeeDee Lamb hold out all training camp, and, choosing to get Zeke back (Dak's bud) instead of going all-out for arguably their last piece of the puzzle, Derrick Henry.

Cooper Rush is a solid backup but let's not get seduced by Cooper Rush or a team playing freely because they are eliminated by mid-season.

If we hire McCarthy, we'll enjoy the honeymoon period, but after that, I think he's a mediocre safe lazy hire for our safe lazy GM. I get Mike Ditka vibes.

Loomis' son Alex has been the Cowboys' pro scouting director since 2017. Mickey has an inside ear (and likely a bias) on McCarthy's tenure with player eval and development.

My choices for coach:

(1) A younger offensive coordinator, like Sean Payton was in 2006. Ranked: Brady, Coen,
Kingsbury (very risky personality)

(2) Aaron Glenn but that may be slipping away understandably.

(3) retread McCarthy

I’d probably switch your 1 and 2 and replace Kingsbury with Kafka and maybe even add Rizzi behind him (I have to wonder if Rizzi had a real chance to win more games, all things considered). But if we can get Glenn, he’s my first choice

 

[Derek_B]

It's a bit self-righteous and very smug on his part anyway to think or try to infer he wasnt part of the problem for all those 16 seasons Payton was here. Their was sheet ton of bad luck and sure, maybe the FO and organization had their faults but considering Payton essentially ran most of the off-field issues and personnel issues at least while Benson was still alive, his arse is at least somewhat responsible for those injuries piling up back in the day. So, yeah Payton is being very petty and mean here and very vindictative butt crevasse too. Because he's trying to pretend most of those same injuries that always happened here under his tenure were all mostly someone else's fault and he takes no responsibility.

He shouldn't act or pretend like he wasnt some major part of our organization for over 15 years and suggest he was merely some hired hand. That insults all of our collective intelligence as fans who were passionate back then and know what really happened and were well aware of Payton's high ranking role within the organization.

I honestly think it was more of a shot at the previous regime in Denver. He even said : "I don't want to use the wrong words...what was taking place before". This is not about the Saints imo.

 

[la. champ1]

There is a luck factor, but if a team is perpetually one of the most healthy or most unhealthy multiple seasons in a row there's something organizational about those results beyond just luck.

Facts that’s something the next coach has to address and figure out. Medical staff and training staff.

 

[Alan12]

Have his Denver physicians so badly bungled diagnosis so as to call a fracture a contusion?

Not yet to my knowledge, but it's only Year 2 so they still have another ~8 years so. We can check back then to see how comparable the situations are.

 

[solarbear88]

Not a lot of stars on his team. They either practice and play or get cut. Lots of guys on the Saints think they are stars.

 

[Bill]

Did Sean Payton take a dig at the Saints in Broncos' postseason presser?

Denver Broncos head coach Sean Payton shared some interesting commentary when boasting about the health of his team, some of which felt like a dig at the New Orleans Saints. The Broncos were one of the healthiest teams in the NFL this season, and Payton rightfully felt…

www.yahoo.com

 

[Dastheat_9]

Sean Payton crediting Dan Daryrimple, and Bo Lowry as they were the second healthiest team. Petty Sean said, if you were at the bottom of the list. “ There was a reason for that too.” The Pelicans cannot stay healthy! DA fired them! How many years did Dennis Allen push us back as a franchise?

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Matt’s take.

 

[BlackandGoldXLIV]

Probably about 3 weeks.

 

[nakadish]

Matt’s take.

Payton/Drew should have a legacy like Belichick/Brady if not for Payton sticking with bad coaches on defense and training staff and injuries later in Drew's career. He owns that too. Maybe somebody with the Broncos has the sense to say, "no Sean", because I have a hard time believing he did it on his own. The injuries go way back to when he was the coach. He absolutely owns that. So take that BS somewhere else.


/rant