Payton on being one of the least injured teams in the NFL (24 Viewers)

[texasjefe]

And how long has Loomis been your patient?

Seeya, as in, not spending another second on you, not, seeya I'm not answering your question. Answer my question from earlier. WHO IS BOY_OF-WONDER75? Is your nic a reference to Alvin Maxson or Joel Parker?

 

[St. Widge]

Right thats all true. But i just assumed that we'd be all in on Mike. In the same aggressive manner we pursued Watson and Carr. So something changed, and I think its the two new GM's. The more i research Glenn, the more i feel he will be a culture changer and a solid head coach. My issue besides the rumored Jets interest would be the time frame it would take for Glenn to build this team. Id think 3 years minimum. Whereas I believe, Mike would compete next year with the roster as it stands. But everything isnt a slam dunk with me, because im legit torn on us moving away from KK and Jancko/Dennison/Benton. What we saw in weeks 1 and 2 were real. I dont think the Mike would retain KK and co. Unless he was leveraged to, and we wouldnt want that. I even researched Mikes record vs the Shanahan offense, it was better than i thought. They just couldnt beat SF and Greeenbay at their best. Alot of teams couldnt beat them either, like the Saints:

All fair. I think maybe that Glenn was the favorite, but McCarthy becoming available could have made them reconsider because McCarthy is a proven coach. I do think they really like Glenn, and I do too, but like you said McCarty is a proven head coach with very little risk. He would almost certainly going to return the Saints to being a playoff team and maybe a Super Bowl contender if they draft better or somehow find an elite QB. If you hire Glenn, or any of the other guys like Brady or Moore, you are hoping that they can reach that level.

It's like the old Family Guy joke with the choice between the mystery box and the boat. A boat is a boat, but the mystery box could be anything, even a boat.

 

[St. Widge]

Have his Denver physicians so badly bungled diagnosis so as to call a fracture a contusion?

I mean, they fired those doctors 7 years ago.

 

[sfidc3]

its because we are all wounded dogs right now. The slightest provocation causes an attack. its tough being a fan right now. Because in the real world, if im down, i do something about it and change my direction. As a fan, we cant do anything but wait and hope. Regardless if he meant anything by it or not, we fielded an embarrassingly injured team against him and many others this year.

I just want to point out though a tad dramatic (I mean, I don't care enough to be "wounded"), I think above is absolutely spot on.....

Things have gone horribly wrong in the last 3 years and culminated into a 5-11 season playing in, by far, the worst division in football.....the one constant that has supposedly been in charge (except when he was tossed aside by his boss that fired the inept, incompetent HC) is ML.....of course fans who care are going to have tons of vitriol towards him, and it is probably more intense because of the fact (as the poster states eloquently) there is nothing we can do about it.....If someone doesn't like that then I think a rational suggestion is to stop reading the posts, instead of complaining about it, because it ain't stopping anytime soon....

 

[Saintslfc13]

In the context of the whole clip posted it seemed to me like Payton was at the very least putting some of the injury issues on players themselves "disappearing into the private satellite expert facilities" rather than coming into for team specified/designed recovery and training in the off-season. Now, that doesn't mean our off-season S&C program is as good as Denver's (based on results it clearly isn't). The Saints need to evaluate what's going on and perhaps build a program that players trust so they don't choose the private training side of things unless they're not in the city but I didn't take this small quote as an outright shot at the Saints themselves.

 

[St. Widge]

I just want to point out though a tad dramatic (I mean, I don't care enough to be "wounded"), I think above is absolutely spot on.....

Things have gone horribly wrong in the last 3 years and culminated into a 5-11 season playing in, by far, the worst division in football.....the one constant that has supposedly been in charge (except when he was tossed aside by his boss that fired the inept, incompetent HC) is ML.....of course fans who care are going to have tons of vitriol towards him, and it is probably more intense because of the fact (as the poster states eloquently) there is nothing we can do about it.....If someone doesn't like that then I think a rational suggestion is to stop reading the posts, instead of complaining about it, because it ain't stopping anytime soon....

Alternatively you can choose to be amused by that much vitriol toward a guy that made some bad decisions about a game played by adults that is played for our entertainment. Or you can just point out when the vitriol and emotion has gone past the point of logic and reaches the realm of bullshirt. It goes both ways with not having to read posts.

 

[sfidc3]

Alternatively you can choose to be amused by that much vitriol toward a guy that made some bad decisions about a game played by adults that is played for our entertainment. Or you can just point out when the vitriol and emotion has gone past the point of logic and reaches the realm of bullshirt. It goes both ways with not having to read posts.

I felt exactly that same way when folks were gaslighting about DA....so I understand?

Of course, you can do all those things....and much, much more.....

 

[Rexman100]

You make good points.

I will disagree that Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton are equal in personality just because they have similar resumes. Sean is so much more driven and aggressive than McCarthy. Sean has that 'us against the world' persona and badly wants in the HoF.

Mike?

Rizzi will be out in my opinion because Gayle fired Allen and installed Rizzi over Loomis' head. No way Loomis is going to support Rizzi there.

Go get the offensive coach, even McCarthy if he falls to us because any great offensive coordinator is going to be poached. Have a coach directly accountable for quarterback development and performance.

If Chicago has serious interest in McCarthy, that would be a chance for him to stick it to the Packers, which I think would be more motivating for him. What special motivation would McCarthy have in New Orleans, besides Commanders Palace?

im not concerned about eating habits and personality. TBH I dont think any of us would be Payton fans if he were the head coach anywhere else. He kinda comes across as arrogant and petty. Another reason I want him as head coach, is because i was disappointed when he left the Saints for Green bay. I knew he'd have success.

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

This thread has gone in so many different directions. Three issues discussed:

My impression is that Payton in fact wanted to draft Mahomes in 2017. I would be surprised if the Saints advised Mahomes that with certainty they were going to draft him, Mahomes did not want to go to New Orleans (with Payton as a head coach and Brees as an aging quarterback and mentor), and Mahomes convinced Kansas City to draft up and pick him.

Also, I don't know of any resentment shown by Pete Rozelle towards New Orleans. By nature, Rozelle was not a petty man. And Russell Long was as important as Hale Boggs in the NFL getting its antitrust exemption for the two leagues to merge, and Long remained a power in the Senate for years and was someone the NFL would not want to slight.

I did not think that Payton was taking a shot at the Saints. I do think he is tempting fate. The number of injuries the Saints and Pelicans have suffered is staggering. We seem to be doing wrong. And I also wonder about the Saints not stressing enough in the evaluation process injuries and games missed. But luck is a factor.

 

[Fiyo]

Mike has the resume but at this point of his career does he have the fire in the belly? (aside from alot of twinkies). He lived off Rodgers in GB. In Dallas he had a talented roster built by Will McClay and Stephen Jones, so and the playoff herpa derpa offsets his regular season success. Granted, Jerry killed the Cowboys 2024 season by unnecessarily making CeeDee Lamb hold out all training camp, and, choosing to get Zeke back (Dak's bud) instead of going all-out for arguably their last piece of the puzzle, Derrick Henry.

Cooper Rush is a solid backup but let's not get seduced by Cooper Rush or a team playing freely because they are eliminated by mid-season.

If we hire McCarthy, we'll enjoy the honeymoon period, but after that, I think he's a mediocre safe lazy hire for our safe lazy GM. I get Mike Ditka vibes.

Loomis' son Alex has been the Cowboys' pro scouting director since 2017. Mickey has an inside ear (and likely a bias) on McCarthy's tenure with player eval and development.

My choices for coach:

(1) A younger offensive coordinator, like Sean Payton was in 2006. Ranked: Brady, Coen,
Kingsbury (very risky personality)

(2) Aaron Glenn but that may be slipping away understandably.

(3) retread McCarthy

I’d probably switch your 1 and 2 and replace Kingsbury with Kafka and maybe even add Rizzi behind him (I have to wonder if Rizzi had a real chance to win more games, all things considered). But if we can get Glenn, he’s my first choice

 

[Derek_B]

It's a bit self-righteous and very smug on his part anyway to think or try to infer he wasnt part of the problem for all those 16 seasons Payton was here. Their was sheet ton of bad luck and sure, maybe the FO and organization had their faults but considering Payton essentially ran most of the off-field issues and personnel issues at least while Benson was still alive, his arse is at least somewhat responsible for those injuries piling up back in the day. So, yeah Payton is being very petty and mean here and very vindictative butt crevasse too. Because he's trying to pretend most of those same injuries that always happened here under his tenure were all mostly someone else's fault and he takes no responsibility.

He shouldn't act or pretend like he wasnt some major part of our organization for over 15 years and suggest he was merely some hired hand. That insults all of our collective intelligence as fans who were passionate back then and know what really happened and were well aware of Payton's high ranking role within the organization.

I honestly think it was more of a shot at the previous regime in Denver. He even said : "I don't want to use the wrong words...what was taking place before". This is not about the Saints imo.

 

[la. champ1]

There is a luck factor, but if a team is perpetually one of the most healthy or most unhealthy multiple seasons in a row there's something organizational about those results beyond just luck.

Facts that’s something the next coach has to address and figure out. Medical staff and training staff.

 

[Alan12]

Have his Denver physicians so badly bungled diagnosis so as to call a fracture a contusion?

Not yet to my knowledge, but it's only Year 2 so they still have another ~8 years so. We can check back then to see how comparable the situations are.

 

[solarbear88]

Not a lot of stars on his team. They either practice and play or get cut. Lots of guys on the Saints think they are stars.