Payton on being one of the least injured teams in the NFL (3 Viewers)

[texasjefe]

Im seeing the team very similarly, thats why we need a complete overhaul and is why im in favor of bringing in Mike. He will get us back to being a 12 win team probably starting next year. If he can win with Cooper Rush and Dak, he can win with Carr and Rattler. He knows how to assemble an entire team from to bottom. He's seen it, and been doing it for almost 2 decades. He's the only coach (available) that I feel can compete with the likes of SP and Reid at their best. Just for the record, after watching Ben Johnson's interviews, im more sold on Glenn than him. I think AG is more ready than Ben. Ben seems like he needs another year to figure out a plan. But regardless, Glenn is going to the Jets. IF Glenn as HC for the Saints: We have so many unknowns at this point, adding another unknown as a coach, seems like a 3-4 year build, if it works. Add Big Mike and we're competing and trending up next year.

Mike has the resume but at this point of his career does he have the fire in the belly? (aside from alot of twinkies). He lived off Rodgers in GB. In Dallas he had a talented roster built by Will McClay and Stephen Jones, so and the playoff herpa derpa offsets his regular season success. Granted, Jerry killed the Cowboys 2024 season by unnecessarily making CeeDee Lamb hold out all training camp, and, choosing to get Zeke back (Dak's bud) instead of going all-out for arguably their last piece of the puzzle, Derrick Henry.

Cooper Rush is a solid backup but let's not get seduced by Cooper Rush or a team playing freely because they are eliminated by mid-season.

If we hire McCarthy, we'll enjoy the honeymoon period, but after that, I think he's a mediocre safe lazy hire for our safe lazy GM. I get Mike Ditka vibes.

Loomis' son Alex has been the Cowboys' pro scouting director since 2017. Mickey has an inside ear (and likely a bias) on McCarthy's tenure with player eval and development.

My choices for coach:

(1) A younger offensive coordinator, like Sean Payton was in 2006. Ranked: Brady, Coen,
Kingsbury (very risky personality)

(2) Aaron Glenn but that may be slipping away understandably.

(3) retread McCarthy

 

[St. Widge]

Mike has the resume but at this point of his career does he have the fire in the belly? (aside from alot of twinkies). He lived off Rodgers in GB. In Dallas he had a talented roster built by Will McClay and Stephen Jones, so and the playoff herpa derpa offsets his regular season success. Granted, Jerry killed the Cowboys 2024 season by unnecessarily making CeeDee Lamb hold out all trainjng camp, and, choosing to get Zeke back (Dak's bud) instead of going all-out for arguably their last piece of the puzzle, Derrick Henry.

Cooper Rush is a solid backup but let's not get seduced by Cooper Rush or a team playing freely because they are eliminated by mid-season.

If we hire McCarthy, we'll enjoy the honeymoon period, but after that, I think he's a mediocre safe lazy hire for our safe lazy GM. I get Mike Ditka vibes.

Loomis' son Alex has been the Cowboys' pro scouting director since 2017. Mickey has an inside ear (and likely a bias) on McCarthy's tenure with player eval and development.

My choices for coach:

(1) A younger offensive coordinator, like Sean Payton was in 2006. Ranked: Brady, Coen,
Kingsbury (very risky personality)

(2) Aaron Glenn but that may be slipping away understandably.

(3) retread McCarthy

Needs more Loomis ranting for me to be truly amused.

 

[Elvis]

Mike has the resume but at this point of his career does he have the fire in the belly? (aside from alot of twinkies). He lived off Rodgers in GB. In Dallas he had a talented roster built by Will McClay and Stephen Jones, so and the playoff herpa derpa offsets his regular season success. Granted, Jerry killed the Cowboys 2024 season by unnecessarily making CeeDee Lamb hold out all trainjng camp, and, choosing to get Zeke back (Dak's bud) instead of going all-out for arguably their last piece of the puzzle, Derrick Henry.

Cooper Rush is a solid backup but let's not get seduced by Cooper Rush or a team playing freely because they are eliminated by mid-season.

If we hire McCarthy, we'll enjoy the honeymoon period, but after that, I think he's a mediocre safe lazy hire for our safe lazy GM. I get Mike Ditka vibes.

Loomis' son Alex has been the Cowboys' pro scouting director since 2017. Mickey has an inside ear (and likely a bias) on McCarthy's tenure with player eval and development.

My choices for coach:

(1) A younger offensive coordinator, like Sean Payton was in 2006. Ranked: Brady, Coen,
Kingsbury (very risky personality)

(2) Aaron Glenn but that may be slipping away understandably.

(3) retread McCarthy

I had no idea that Loomis' son worked for the Cowboys. He's actually been on that staff since 2009 and was promoted to director in 2017. I find it odd that it wasn't more common knowledge.

As for your rankings on coaches, I think that list is pretty reasonable. I don't think there are any bad choices on that list, though Coen doesn't make my top 5.

 

[Rexman100]

I’d love to have Mike, and have felt we needed a top down overhaul since Sean left.

Not gonna happen, is what it is. Hopefully the team drafts well in a couple of months, then again next draft as I think we will have an even higher pick. That will be a start at least.

the jets fans seem like they are getting used to a reality of Glenn as their next coach. They, as you probably know are pretty divided too.

I simply do not understand that we didn't learn from Denver. They were willing to part with their first round pick etc, in order to get Sean Payton. (Denver could've hired Glenn or any of these first timers back then) But instead went for the slam dunk. But yet, we aren't jumping on the chance to get his Big twin in MM, baffles me.

 

[St. Widge]

the jets fans seem like they are getting used to a reality of Glenn as their next coach. They, as you probably know are pretty divided too.

I simply do not understand that we didn't learn from Denver. They were willing to part with their first round pick etc, in order to get Sean Payton. (Denver could've hired Glenn or any of these first timers back then) But instead went for the slam dunk. But yet, we aren't jumping on the chance to get his Big twin in MM, baffles me.

He's scheduled to interview early next week so they may hire him. But, it also makes sense to go through the process and interview all of your candidates to make sure it's the right fit and the right choice. As much as I think McCarthy probably is a can't miss hire to at least turn this team back into a team that is in the playoff year in and year out, there are no guarantees when hiring a coach and the team should make sure he is the right pick by giving legitimate shots to all the candidates before making a decision.

As far as Glenn, according to Underhill, the people he talked to who know Glenn's situation said it it false that he favors the Jets job right now. No decisions have been made.

 

[DeuceMcAllisterFan]

the jets fans seem like they are getting used to a reality of Glenn as their next coach. They, as you probably know are pretty divided too.

I simply do not understand that we didn't learn from Denver. They were willing to part with their first round pick etc, in order to get Sean Payton. (Denver could've hired Glenn or any of these first timers back then) But instead went for the slam dunk. But yet, we aren't jumping on the chance to get his Big twin in MM, baffles me.

Probably because Hackett turned out to be a failure of epic proportions. So they didn't want to repeat that mistake with another first time coach.

 

[Rexman100]

Mike has the resume but at this point of his career does he have the fire in the belly? (aside from alot of twinkies). He lived off Rodgers in GB. In Dallas he had a talented roster built by Will McClay and Stephen Jones, so and the playoff herpa derpa offsets his regular season success. Granted, Jerry killed the Cowboys 2024 season by unnecessarily making CeeDee Lamb hold out all trainjng camp, and, choosing to get Zeke back (Dak's bud) instead of going all-out for arguably their last piece of the puzzle, Derrick Henry.

Cooper Rush is a solid backup but let's not get seduced by Cooper Rush or a team playing freely because they are eliminated by mid-season.

If we hire McCarthy, we'll enjoy the honeymoon period, but after that, I think he's a mediocre safe lazy hire for our safe lazy GM. I get Mike Ditka vibes.

Loomis' son Alex has been the Cowboys' pro scouting director since 2017. Mickey has an inside ear (and likely a bias) on McCarthy's tenure with player eval and development.

My choices for coach:

(1) A younger offensive coordinator, like Sean Payton was in 2006. Ranked: Brady, Coen,
Kingsbury (very risky personality)

(2) Aaron Glenn but that may be slipping away understandably.

(3) retread McCarthy

If Sean still has fire so does Mike. We all know great coaching gets you to the playoffs, but elite talent wins playoff games. (Both Sean and Mike enjoyed an elite QB) Mike Ditka vibes is simply false. Then Sean Payton is also Mike Ditka for the Broncos. The Loomis' son thing has me concerned, are we not in a rush to get Mike becasue of him or is it becasue we hired 2 more cooks in the kitchen, and now we have stalemates and delays? (i have no answer) Mike earned the right to not be meddled with, but yet Jones did just that. So here his ceiling would be higher. (of course our cap situation lowers that ceiling)

Your choice, a younger coach like Sean Payton, how about the real thing in Mike Mcarthy? As i said before, i think Glenn is more prepared than Ben Johnson, so id roll with him next. If it plays out like this: Jets/Glenn Raiders/Ben Chicago/Mike Dallas/Deon/Moore Jax/Coen. Then that leaves us with Brady/Rizzi/Kings. At this point, id say screw it, lets just get someone new for new-ness sake and go with Brady. Brady can probably develop Rattler as a hybrid pocket/mobile Qb. Kingsbury doesnt seem like hes dying to get out of Wash. (and hes already failed) Rizzi wont be an option, because you don't hire 2 additional GMs then run it back. (it wouldnt be logical) My whole motivation is to get to being able to beat Sean Payton/Reid/Harbaugh bros at their best, as quickly as possible. Mike does this next year.

 

[texasjefe]

I had no idea that Loomis' son worked for the Cowboys. He's actually been on that staff since 2009 and was promoted to director in 2017. I find it odd that it wasn't more common knowledge.

As for your rankings on coaches, I think that list is pretty reasonable. I don't think there are any bad choices on that list, though Coen doesn't make my top 5.

I didn't know Mickey's son was a long-time Cowboy executive until 2 nights ago when Ed Werder mentioned it on KTCK Dallas. I didn't like hearing it, but there's nothing wrong with it. It would have been Alex' job to advance scout the Saints ahead of the games NO-Dal played since 2017. Alex failed clearly in September.

I'm not into Liam Coen, but that may be because people think he's done well with Faker Mayfield. I'm less impressed, but that Bucky Irving 4th round draft pick was impressive.

But I'd take Coen - a hungry up-and-comer over a retread still cashing in on 2011 and needing a rebound rescue from failing to win anything more in Dallas than the division titles.

 

[Rexman100]

He's scheduled to interview early next week so they may hire him. But, it also makes sense to go through the process and interview all of your candidates to make sure it's the right fit and the right choice. As much as I think McCarthy probably is a can't miss hire to at least turn this team back into a team that is in the playoff year in and year out, there are no guarantees when hiring a coach and the team should make sure he is the right pick by giving legitimate shots to all the candidates before making a decision.

As far as Glenn, according to Underhill, the people he talked to who know Glenn's situation said it it false that he favors the Jets job right now. No decisions have been made.

Right thats all true. But i just assumed that we'd be all in on Mike. In the same aggressive manner we pursued Watson and Carr. So something changed, and I think its the two new GM's. The more i research Glenn, the more i feel he will be a culture changer and a solid head coach. My issue besides the rumored Jets interest would be the time frame it would take for Glenn to build this team. Id think 3 years minimum. Whereas I believe, Mike would compete next year with the roster as it stands. But everything isnt a slam dunk with me, because im legit torn on us moving away from KK and Jancko/Dennison/Benton. What we saw in weeks 1 and 2 were real. I dont think the Mike would retain KK and co. Unless he was leveraged to, and we wouldnt want that. I even researched Mikes record vs the Shanahan offense, it was better than i thought. They just couldnt beat SF and Greeenbay at their best. Alot of teams couldnt beat them either, like the Saints:

 

[Rexman100]

I didn't know Mickey's son was a long-time Cowboy executive until 2 nights ago when Ed Werder mentioned it on KTCK Dallas. I didn't like hearing it, but there's nothing wrong with it. It would have been Alex' job to advance scout the Saints ahead of the games NO-Dal played since 2017. Alex failed clearly in September.

I'm not into Liam Coen, but that may be because people think he's done well with Faker Mayfield. I'm less impressed, but that Bucky Irving 4th round draft pick was impressive.

But I'd take Coen - a hungry up-and-comer over a retread still cashing in on 2011 and needing a rebound rescue from failing to win anything more in Dallas than the division titles.

IS A LOT GREATER THAN:



beggars cant be choosy.

 

[texasjefe]

If Sean still has fire so does Mike. We all know great coaching gets you to the playoffs, but elite talent wins playoff games. (Both Sean and Mike enjoyed an elite QB) Mike Ditka vibes is simply false. Then Sean Payton is also Mike Ditka for the Broncos. The Loomis' son thing has me concerned, are we not in a rush to get Mike becasue of him or is it becasue we hired 2 more cooks in the kitchen, and now we have stalemates and delays? (i have no answer) Mike earned the right to not be meddled with, but yet Jones did just that. So here his ceiling would be higher. (of course our cap situation lowers that ceiling)

Your choice, a younger coach like Sean Payton, how about the real thing in Mike Mcarthy? As i said before, i think Glenn is more prepared than Ben Johnson, so id roll with him next. If it plays out like this: Jets/Glenn Raiders/Ben Chicago/Mike Dallas/Deon/Moore Jax/Coen. Then that leaves us with Brady/Rizzi/Kings. At this point, id say screw it, lets just get someone new for new-ness sake and go with Brady. Brady can probably develop Rattler as a hybrid pocket/mobile Qb. Kingsbury doesnt seem like hes dying to get out of Wash. (and hes already failed) Rizzi wont be an option, because you don't hire 2 additional GMs then run it back. (it wouldnt be logical) My whole motivation is to get to being able to beat Sean Payton/Reid/Harbaugh bros at their best, as quickly as possible. Mike does this next year.

You make good points.

I will disagree that Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton are equal in personality just because they have similar resumes. Sean is so much more driven and aggressive than McCarthy. Sean has that 'us against the world' persona and badly wants in the HoF.

Mike?

Rizzi will be out in my opinion because Gayle fired Allen and installed Rizzi over Loomis' head. No way Loomis is going to support Rizzi there.

Go get the offensive coach, even McCarthy if he falls to us because any great offensive coordinator is going to be poached. Have a coach directly accountable for quarterback development and performance.

If Chicago has serious interest in McCarthy, that would be a chance for him to stick it to the Packers, which I think would be more motivating for him. What special motivation would McCarthy have in New Orleans, besides Commanders Palace?

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

I have a Master's Degree in a mental health discipline. I have a 35-year career in organizational management and administration. I taught graduate school classes for 7 years. Not in sports or at the asset level of a football team, but I would caution you against going after my qualifications. What you got, sir?

And how long has Loomis been your patient?

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

Lol. Dude, you mention Loomis in virtually every post you make. And sometimes you go back and edits posts to talk more about Loomis and add reasons why he sucks.

Loomis has many issues and you have every right to point them out. Moreover, you are right about most of your criticisms of Loomis. But I do find it amusing that you talk about Payton living in Loomis' head when Loomis clearly lives in your head.

Yeah. If anybody is in anybody's head...

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Interesting statement considering his current head strength/conditioning coach in Denver is the same strength/conditioning coach he had for his entire tenure here when we were experiencing a significant number of injuries year in and year out.

Must be the heat

 

[Tapxe]

Interesting statement considering his current head strength/conditioning coach in Denver is the same strength/conditioning coach he had for his entire tenure here when we were experiencing a significant number of injuries year in and year out.

Have his Denver physicians so badly bungled diagnosis so as to call a fracture a contusion?

On August 16, 2017, Breaux suffered a fractured fibula yet again, to the same leg, and was ruled out for six weeks. He was initially diagnosed with a leg contusion by two orthopedic doctors on the Saints' medical staff, but later underwent an x-ray after making no substantial progress in the injury healing. The Saints subsequently fired two doctors over the misdiagnosis.[16][17] He was placed on injured reserve on September 5, 2017.[18]