Payton on being one of the least injured teams in the NFL (100 Viewers)

[nolaswede]

SP is correct, the Saints and Pelicans medical staff has been absolutely atrocious.

The funny thing is that the Head Team Physician for the Saints is taking a job in Denver and won’t be with the Saints in 2025. Looks like he will be part of the Broncos organization, but not sure what his title will be. I believe he got a great job opportunity overseeing a few hospitals.

 

[texasjefe]

I don't think Payton was referencing the Saints organization in any way. I believe he has firmly put that chapter of his coaching career in the rearview.

The problem is that Payton is massively in Loomis' head. I can see Loomis obsessing on their competitive personal rivalry to the point of frequent distraction and a little insanity.

The more Payton succeeds in Denver, the more it tarnishes Mickey's legacy here, as it historically implies that Sean was the off-field alpha in the Super Bowl era. Especially now as Loomis GM's a team that's adrift and quite stuck between a ceiling of 5-9 wins, on nobody's watch but his and his Icarus cap management.

On the others' point about Payton-Mahomes. This has angered me over the years. Sean didn't trade up one or two spots for Mahomes, so Sean, shaddup.

What did the geniuses Loomis and Payton do in 2018? They loaded up and traded the 2019 pick to move up and draft Marcus Davenport with the 14th pick, while Lamar Jackson was drafted 32nd! Sean, Mickey... You blew the team's future dramatically. Here we are.

As for injuries, there are no more "outlier low injury" years for the team. The roster is top heavy with mediocre and overpaid old guys, and too much of the roster is filled with guys who had major injuries in college, and too many guys at the bottom of the roster in the revolving door squad.

Kamara's wonderful but Jamaal Williams has been a total bust signing, and they drafted Kendre coming off massive college injury. And so they upped Taysom's usage, and that's unsustainable at his age and with his long injury history.

The dead cap loss each year robs the Saints of at minimum, quality depth players. The Saints are sitting ducks because they lack the overall personnel quality to compete. It's all systemic now, in my opinion.

 

[rlemieux]

Lol. The lengths people will go to the blame Loomis for things. Loomis has plenty of things to be criticized for without making stuff up. If this was the case, Sean would have told every reporter in the country about it by now while he was telling them how he knew that Mahomes was going to be great.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that both Sean and Mickey wanted Brees there in case they took Mahomes so that they could keep a good relationship with him and keep him involved. Having Brees in the room wasn't going to stop Sean from drafting Mahomes.

Yep, that's why Greenbay had Rodgers in the room when they took Love and Farve in the room when they took Rodgers....... Oh, wait.......

 

[TruSaint]

And it does go back to the Payton years for sure. I remember the days when a player would come up limping and it was almost automatically going to be a month before they diagnosed a sports hernia and off they went for surgery.


He's been gone for years now and they have not stopped, but they have in Denver. So my guess is those Ochsner sponsorship dollars aren't under the control of the head coac

The funny thing is that the Head Team Physician for the Saints is taking a job in Denver and won’t be with the Saints in 2025. Looks like he will be part of the Broncos organization, but not sure what his title will be. I believe he got a great job opportunity overseeing a few hospitals.

Sure, like I said, some people on the staff are amazing, 1 surgeon in particular who if I needed a particular surgery would be my go to choice.

 

[St. Widge]

And it does go back to the Payton years for sure. I remember the days when a player would come up limping and it was almost automatically going to be a month before they diagnosed a sports hernia and off they went for surgery.


He's been gone for years now and they have not stopped, but they have in Denver. So my guess is those Ochsner sponsorship dollars aren't under the control of the head coach.

Ochsner has nothing to do with the team's strength and conditioning program. It's mostly just a sponsorship deal. Yes they use doctors from Ochsner, but at this point, most of the doctors in this area work for a hospital owned by Ochsner. I mean the deal with Raisin' Cane as the official chicken finger of the New Orleans Saints doesn't mean all the players eat is Rasin' Canes.

We already know the reason for some of the soft tissue injuries is that DA made warmups optional. The other factors are likely that we have a lot of old players and we play at least 10 games per year on field turf and practice a lot on field turf which I believe that there are studies that show there are more injuries on field turf than grass. Plus, if players have injuries they will fly them all over the country to be treated by the top guys in the field.

Anyway, I don't think Payton was commenting on the Saints and if he did see something being done here that he thought was leading to injuries in his 15 years here, he damn sure would have changed it. And, if it was Ochsner, he would have gone to Mrs. Benson and got her to get out of that deal. But, I mean, Ochsner is now part of the James Andrews Sports Medicine Institute.

 

[St. Widge]

Yep, that's why Greenbay had Rodgers in the room when they took Love and Farve in the room when they took Rodgers....... Oh, wait.......

Yep, and the fact that Favre didn't get pissed that the Packers drafted Rodgers and Rodgers didn't get pissed that they took Love . . . Oh, wait . . . Favre and Rodgers both got pissed and eventually left Green Bay because they were not kept informed about the process or told about the team drafting a QB before it happened. Couldn't possibly be that Sean and Loomis were looking to avoid a situation where they pissed off Brees. It has to be a conspiracy theory that puts Loomis in the worst light possible.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

The problem is that Payton is massively in Loomis' head. I can see Loomis obsessing on their competitive personal rivalry to the point of frequent distraction and a little insanity.

The more Payton succeeds in Denver, the more it tarnishes Mickey's legacy here, as it historically implies that Sean was the off-field alpha in the Super Bowl era.

I'm just curious as to where you got your psychology degree and how long Loomis has been your patient.

 

[No2DC]

The problem is that Payton is massively in Loomis' head. I can see Loomis obsessing on their competitive personal rivalry to the point of frequent distraction and a little insanity.

The more Payton succeeds in Denver, the more it tarnishes Mickey's legacy here, as it historically implies that Sean was the off-field alpha in the Super Bowl era. Especially now as Loomis GM's a team that's adrift and quite stuck between a ceiling of 5-9 wins, on nobody's watch but his and his Icarus cap management.

On the others' point about Payton-Mahomes. This has angered me over the years. Sean didn't trade up one or two spots for Mahomes, so Sean, shaddup.

What did the geniuses Loomis and Payton do in 2018? They loaded up and traded the 2019 pick to move up and draft Marcus Davenport with the 14th pick, while Lamar Jackson was drafted 32nd! Sean, Mickey... You blew the team's future dramatically. Here we are.

As for injuries, there are no more "outlier low injury" years for the team. The roster is top heavy with mediocre and overpaid old guys, and too much of the roster is filled with guys who had major injuries in college, and too many guys at the bottom of the roster in the revolving door squad.

Kamara's wonderful but Jamaal Williams has been a total bust signing, and they drafted Kendre coming off massive college injury. And so they upped Taysom's usage, and that's unsustainable at his age and with his long injury history.

The dead cap loss each year robs the Saints of at minimum, quality depth players. The Saints are sitting ducks because they lack the overall personnel quality to compete. It's all systemic now, in my opinion.

This. To see Sean with Bo Nix is one of the most damaging things out there, and for the two of them to spend the next years telling the Mahomes tale as if there were no other respectable prospects makes no sense.

 

[MikeyF]

Ochsner has nothing to do with the team's strength and conditioning program. It's mostly just a sponsorship deal. Yes they use doctors from Ochsner, but at this point, most of the doctors in this area work for a hospital owned by Ochsner. I mean the deal with Raisin' Cane as the official chicken finger of the New Orleans Saints doesn't mean all the players eat is Rasin' Canes.

We already know the reason for some of the soft tissue injuries is that DA made warmups optional. The other factors are likely that we have a lot of old players and we play at least 10 games per year on field turf and practice a lot on field turf which I believe that there are studies that show there are more injuries on field turf than grass. Plus, if players have injuries they will fly them all over the country to be treated by the top guys in the field.

Anyway, I don't think Payton was commenting on the Saints and if he did see something being done here that he thought was leading to injuries in his 15 years here, he damn sure would have changed it. And, if it was Ochsner, he would have gone to Mrs. Benson and got her to get out of that deal. But, I mean, Ochsner is now part of the James Andres Institute.

Soft tissue injuries are caused by a lack of proper conditioning, not stretching properly & not properly warming up...

This has a lot to do with each individual!

 

[St. Widge]

The problem is that Payton is massively in Loomis' head. I can see Loomis obsessing on their competitive personal rivalry to the point of frequent distraction and a little insanity.

The more Payton succeeds in Denver, the more it tarnishes Mickey's legacy here, as it historically implies that Sean was the off-field alpha in the Super Bowl era. Especially now as Loomis GM's a team that's adrift and quite stuck between a ceiling of 5-9 wins, on nobody's watch but his and his Icarus cap management.

On the others' point about Payton-Mahomes. This has angered me over the years. Sean didn't trade up one or two spots for Mahomes, so Sean, shaddup.

What did the geniuses Loomis and Payton do in 2018? They loaded up and traded the 2019 pick to move up and draft Marcus Davenport with the 14th pick, while Lamar Jackson was drafted 32nd! Sean, Mickey... You blew the team's future dramatically. Here we are.

As for injuries, there are no more "outlier low injury" years for the team. The roster is top heavy with mediocre and overpaid old guys, and too much of the roster is filled with guys who had major injuries in college, and too many guys at the bottom of the roster in the revolving door squad.

Kamara's wonderful but Jamaal Williams has been a total bust signing, and they drafted Kendre coming off massive college injury. And so they upped Taysom's usage, and that's unsustainable at his age and with his long injury history.

The dead cap loss each year robs the Saints of at minimum, quality depth players. The Saints are sitting ducks because they lack the overall personnel quality to compete. It's all systemic now, in my opinion.

Have you ever considered that maybe Loomis lives rent free in your head?

 

[No2DC]

Yep, and the fact that Favre didn't get pissed that the Packers drafted Rodgers and Rodgers didn't get pissed that they took Love . . . Oh, wait . . . Favre and Rodgers both got pissed and eventually left Green Bay because they were not kept informed about the process or told about the team drafting a QB before it happened. Couldn't possibly be that Sean and Loomis were looking to avoid a situation where they pissed off Brees. It has to be a conspiracy theory that puts Loomis in the worst light possible.

Is any one player more important to the organization? The same type of thinking let Mick assume Payton would be here forever. The head of a significant business needs to think objectively and long-term. Mick failed that test.

 

[St. Widge]

Soft tissue injuries are caused by a lack of proper conditioning, not stretching properly & not properly warming up...

This has a lot to do with each individual!

Not being fully stretched out and not having muscles warmed up is also a factor. But sure, conditioning is an issue to which the players have to take some responsibility for, but the Saints do have a strength and conditioning staff that does not appear to be doing as good of a job as they should. If players aren't properly conditioned a major part of it is that they are likely not being given the proper program to follow. You can't expect every player to do like Kamara and hire his own personal staff for conditioning and recovery.

 

[St. Widge]

Is any one player more important to the organization? The same type of thinking let Mick assume Payton would be here forever. The head of a significant business needs to think objectively and long-term. Mick failed that test.

I didn't say that he passed the test. All I said is that it's bullshirt that Mickey stopped Sean from drafting Mahomes. Nobody could stop Sean from doing what he wanted in the draft or with the team. And Mickey wouldn't have even tried. If Sean was really all in on Mahomes, then he would have or at least should have traded up for him. He also shouldn't have gushed to Andy Reid about how good Mahomes was which likely influenced Reid's decision to trade up in front of the Saints to get Mahomes.

But yes, Loomis has no excuse for not at least trying to find a successor to Brees other than brigning in reclamation projects like Bridgewater and Winston. He had the opportunity to take Love, Jackson, and Hurts, or trade up for Mahomes, and didn't do it. Some of that is likely that Payton didn't want to use a pick on a QB when he kept thinking he was another player away from another Super Bowl, but Mickey should have done it anyway for the future of the franchise.

 

[Cajun Chat]

Strange coming from him. His teams faced alot of injuries here.

He blames it in the organization.

 

[texasjefe]

The Saints coaches and training staff are the ones who manage player health pre-injury. The GM is not managing them well because this is a many seasons-trend and it may be a training staff issue. (On top of turf field and poor daily routine).

Ochsner and the doctors come in after the injuries.

The GM is clueless and years-late when he says they need to take a deep dive and it might be coincidence.

Any of us could research best practices and the track records of head trainers. Why hasn't Mickey? These players are assets worth millions of dollars - and the front office has destroyed the financial margins to have truly adequate depth, but we're supposed to say ho hum bad luck? McCoy got injured and welp, season died. Great job Mick!