Prefer type of coach? An offensive, A defensive, or a middle guy? (1 Viewer)

[3ParStillDriver]

There're really not many head coaches who succeed that aren't X's and O's guys. Maybe John Harbough and Dan Campbell? You look at all the other head coaches of the top 10 most winning teams, and almost every single one has a play sheet in their hands except the two forementioned and Todd Bowles.

Right? Am I missing any others? Mike Tomlin maybe?

Anyways. Taking a special teams coach, who rarely ever coached offense or defense gives me pause. I really want to like Rizzi because of the fire he brings and how much he elevates those players to play. But it's going to be extremely hard, next to impossible to keep a good DC and a good OC year in and year out for him. They'll get poached year after year.

At least with, for example, Andy Reid, or Sean Payton. You not only have a guy that is a leader of leaders, but also someone who's running the offense so you really only need to worry about a good DC.

I mean, can anyone name a career special teams coach that became a head coach and found success more often then not in the NFL? Anyone?

Even the forementioned coaches were defensive or offensive coaches prior to becoming a head coach.

 

[AARPSaint]

Ditka, Haslett, Payton, Allen. We’re due for an offensive guy. I don’t care about whether offensive or defensive ; just get the right coach who can inspire the players.

 

[chee_52]

I mean, can anyone name a career special teams coach that became a head coach and found success more often then not in the NFL? Anyone?

John Harbaugh

 

[Noble Saint]

People thinking we can bring in another coach and retain Rizzi on staff need to be ready for that to be next to impossible. Rizzi has a lot of love in that locker room from players. A coach coming in from the outside is going to want his guys under him that he has relationships with. Not retain the former coach who many people on the roster wish was the head coach instead of you. Similar situation happened with an old friend/coach of mine who isn’t even the league this season due to taking the interim job at Carolina and them hiring Canales. My friend was considered on the top, if not the top specials teams coordinators in the league for quite some time.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

John Harbaugh

You're right. 9 years ST coach followed by 1 year as defensive backs coach. Then straight to HC of the Ravens.

 

[TheFly]

I like Rizzi but not as a head coach. We dont want to be stuck with this. If we start losing again yall will switch. You always do.

We need a defensive minded coach imo. Too many fancy men in New Orleans. We need some gridiron gods like the Dome Patrol days.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Is competent not an option?

Competent and effective!

 

[3ParStillDriver]

People thinking we can bring in another coach and retain Rizzi on staff need to be ready for that to be next to impossible. Rizzi has a lot of love in that locker room from players. A coach coming in from the outside is going to want his guys under him that he has relationships with. Not retain the former coach who many people on the roster wish was the head coach instead of you. Similar situation happened with an old friend/coach of mine who isn’t even the league this season due to taking the interim job at Carolina and them hiring Canales. My friend was considered on the top, if not the top specials teams coordinators in the league for quite some time.

I think you may be correct.

It feels like Rizzi is a lock to me for the job, full time.

 

[Noble Saint]

I mean, can anyone name a career special teams coach that became a head coach and found success more often then not in the NFL? Anyone?

There is a guy named Marv Levy who was a head coach for a couple decades after breaking in as a special teams coach. Went to 4 straight Super Bowls.

 

[tim martin]

I would prefer an offensive guy to develop whoever is next in line at QB.

I admire Rizzi, but I would rather someone with more experience developing players and coaching in big games. I also just think we need to hire someone who hasn’t been in the building the last 3 years to deliver real change to the organization. Hang on to Rizzi for sure, but I hope we bring someone else in to be the head coach.

i 100% agree unless our o cord becomes coach as we will lose him in 1-2 years if we don’t hire him. if we lose him we need an offensive coach to mentor a qb and the league hates defenses and u can’t hit anyone without a flag anymore

 

[St. Widge]

There is a guy named Marv Levy who was a head coach for a couple decades after breaking in as a special teams coach. Went to 4 straight Super Bowls.

Apparently Bill Belichick was a special teams coach under Parcells for 6 years before becoming a D-Coordinator.

I do think Special Teams coaches can do the job, but a guy like Rizzi who is mostly just a Special Teams coach for most of his career outside of a bit in college is going to have to have some really good coordinators and replacing them when they move on is always going to be an issue. It's not impossible, but it means you need to find two good to great coordinators every few years, not just one.

Dan Campbell for instance is going to have to show he can win without Johnson and Glenn at some point.

 

[Noble Saint]

Apparently Bill Belichick was a special teams coach under Parcells for 6 years before becoming a D-Coordinator.

He was and there’s a funny interview with LT talking about going into Parcell’s office questioning his decision to make Belicheck the D-coordinator. LT had no idea that Belicheck was also designing their defenses and strategy for several seasons.

 

[kcirdor]

I don't want a play caller to be the team and game manager. But that's just me.

 

[longtime lurker]

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[madsaint1967]

I'm going against the grain and say defensive minded coach. I like what I see with Kubiak and the coaches that followed him here. An offensive coach would surely bring in his own people and completely start over. The defense needs a new blood. Pass rush is still an issue, running QBs are still an issue, run defense is abysmal.

I wouldn’t hate a defensive coach, I would love to see a 3-4 defense again. There are only a few 6’6” 270 pound DEs that run a 4.45, but there are a lot more 6’2-4” 250 pound linebackers that can run. Rickey Jackson and Pat Swilling were 6’2 and 6’3 about 250. I want the old Dome Patrol!!!