Prefer type of coach? An offensive, A defensive, or a middle guy? (2 Viewers)

[sfidc3]

Nice thing is we will have plenty of "film" on Rizzi by season's end. The team isn't eliminated and still has a shot at the post season. He will get all kinds of tests and it should be more apparent if he's the guy for the job. If the offense can continue to dominate the run and be explosive, hiring Rizzi could keep Kubiak here and hopefully that continuity is something the team can build on.

I'd still like team to do an extensive search and weigh all options. Plenty of football left and the favor of Rizzi could change real quick. Identity needs to be defined and then a coach picked if we are going in a new direction. The roster is not bad. I see more bright spots/potential on offense currently and would lean on that when looking for a new HC.

I think hoping that we get to the postseason is an unrealistic expectation, especially considering we won't be getting some key guys back.....

My feeling is if the team is playing hard, the effort is there then Rizzi should get strong consideration, but I also agree we need to explore all options.....unfortunately I don't trust ML to make the right choice....

 

[Winter]

I think hoping that we get to the postseason is an unrealistic expectation, especially considering we won't be getting some key guys back.....

My feeling is if the team is playing hard, the effort is there then Rizzi should get strong consideration, but I also agree we need to explore all options.....unfortunately I don't trust ML to make the right choice....

I'm definitely not saying its post-season or bust for Rizzi. ( I think we have enough stock to show this team's current potential) The challenges will be there. There are playoff team matchups remaining against teams that need wins. That is the ultimate test. Winning a game against an expected playoff team that cant really afford a loss. LAR, GB, WSH & TB are those games. TB is a must win. go 2-1 or 3-0 against those other teams, win the easier matchups and its not that crazy of an idea. We just need Atlanta to be Atlanta.

 

[DSnfla]

And no team that lost it's last 3 games of the season had ever won the Super Bowl, until one did.

And there's this:

Who is Darren Rizzi? Coaching history and what to know about Saints interim head coach after Dennis Allen firing | Sporting News

Darren Rizzi takes over as the Saints interim head coach after the team fired Dennis Allen following Week 9.

www.sportingnews.com

You are kidding right? You cite the one time something happened EVER to justify hiring a coach to do what no coach has ever done before. SO glad you are not running the Saints
In all the history that you posted on Rizzi no where does it say he was ever a coach on either the O or D side of the ball in the NFL or even a major college program

 

[bobad]

I want a coach that can recognize and draft young talent, and isn't afraid to play them.

 

[Saint Greg]

Recent hirings from 2020-2022, half of them have already been fired. It's been a rough go for the defensive guys outside of Bowles. I think it's fair to say that teams have struggled to find the right guy no matter what their background is.:

2020
Joe Judge, Special Teams - fired
Kevin Stefanski, OC - two time coach of the year, Watson's contract is an albatross
Matt Rhule, College HC, fired
Ron Rivera, HC with defensive background - fired
Mike McCarthy, HC with offensive background - looks like he's going to be fired

2021
Nick Sirianni, OC - winning a lot of games
Brandon Staley, DC - fired
Arthur Smith, OC - fired
Robert Saleh, DC - fired
Urban Meyer, College HC - fired
David Culley, Offensive Assistant - fired
Dan Campbell, Offensive Assistant - winning a lot of games

2022
Mike McDaniel, OC - started well, having a rough year
Kevin O'Connell, OC - winning a lot of games
Brian Daboll, OC - started well, seems to be unraveling
Doug Pederson, HC with offensive background - dead man walking
Todd Bowles, HC/DC - winning divisions
Josh McDaniels, HC/OC - fired
Matt Eberflus, DC - hot seat
Dennis Allen, DC - fired
Lovie Smith, HC with Defensive Background - fired
Nathaniel Hackett, OC - fired

I think we don’t just want a coach that won’t get fired. We want one that will win the Super Bowl. Who is doing that? Other than BB with Brady it’s been offense lately.

Reid - Offense
Reid - Offense
McVay - Offense
Arians - Offense
Belichick - Defense
Pederson - Offense
Belichick - Defense
Kubiak - Offense

 

[Snakehead]

Some people should really do their homework on Rizzi.

He wasn't just a ST Coordinator for his coaching career.

 

[Snakehead]

Levy was a HC in the CFL before the NFL . No successful NFL HC was ever just a ST coach without coaching either offense or defense. Either a position coach or an OC or DC

Good thing Rizzi has been a position coach, DC and a HC on 2 different occasions.

 

[StudioSaint]

You are kidding right? You cite the one time something happened EVER to justify hiring a coach to do what no coach has ever done before.

There have been successful head coaches who had very similar resumes to Rizzi's.

SO glad you are not running the Saints.

Right back at you brother.

In all the history that you posted on Rizzi no where does it say he was ever a coach on either the O or D side of the ball in the NFL or even a major college program.

You're changing your criteria to defend your opinion, instead of re-evaluating your opinion. That's one of many reasons I'm delighted that you have zero say in how the Saints are run.

 

[StudioSaint]

Good thing Rizzi has been a position coach, DC and a HC on 2 different occasions.

Didn't you get the memo? It's no longer about Rizzi's coaching career. It's now just about his coaching career in the NFL or a major college program. CFL experiences count too, but none of Rizzi's experience outside of being a Special Teams coordinator counts, including his interim head coaching experience.

Even if the Saints go undefeated for the rest of the regular season, it won't count as successful head coaching experience for Rizzi, because he's just a Special Teams guy who doesn't know anything about offense or defense.

 

[DSnfla]

Good thing Rizzi has been a position coach, DC and a HC on 2 different occasions.

You must have missed the part where I said Rizzi has not been anything other than a ST coach at the NFL level or even at a major college level
He was a DC and HC at that college powerhouse New Haven. And don't forget football bastion Rhode Island. C'mon bud you're better than that

 

[Snakehead]

Didn't you get the memo? It's no longer about Rizzi's coaching career. It's now just about his coaching career in the NFL or a major college program. CFL experiences count too, but nothing that shows Rizzi's experience outside of being a Special Teams coordinator counts.

Yeah, I missed it.

Someone actually said they wanted a coach in the cutting edge. I guess they missed the memo that Rizzi is on the cutting edge, he is a well respected coach who was asked to fix the knockoffs.

Their gonna bicker about offensive or defensive, meanwhile he's just gonna keep winning, lead the team and earn the job.

 

[DSnfla]

There have been successful head coaches who had very similar resumes to Rizzi's.


Right back at you brother.


You're changing your criteria to defend your opinion, instead of re-evaluating your opinion. That's one of many reasons I'm delighted that you have zero say in how the Saints are run.

OK beside John Harbaugh that was a DB's coach please name some .
And just how have I changed the criteria ?? I have said the same thing about Rizzi that I have from the start

 

[Snakehead]

You must have missed the part where I said Rizzi has not been anything other than a ST coach at the NFL level or even at a major college level
He was a DC and HC at that college powerhouse New Haven. And don't forget football bastion Rhode Island. C'mon bud you're better than that

It all builds for the next job. I'll take a guy who has HC'd in college, don't care about the level, made the jump to the NFL and has been developed to HC in the NFL over some coordinator only without the experience of leading a whole team.

 

[DSnfla]

Didn't you get the memo? It's no longer about Rizzi's coaching career. It's now just about his coaching career in the NFL or a major college program. CFL experiences count too, but none of Rizzi's experience outside of being a Special Teams coordinator counts, including his interim head coaching experience.

Even if the Saints go undefeated for the rest of the regular season, it won't count as successful head coaching experience for Rizzi, because he's just a Special Teams guy who doesn't know anything about offense or defense.

SMH Go back and look at my posts I've said the same thing about Rizzi from the start . NO experience at the NFL level or major college level on EITHER offense or defense. Not even as a position coach. EVERY other successful NFL HC has had experience either as a DC, OC or a position coach in the NFL or major college
For Rizzi to be successful he would have to have a great OC and DC , also a great scouting dept and very good GM. Just like Campbell has. Ohh and the 19 top 100 draft picks over 5 yrs including a #3,#5 and #8 pick like Campbell has wouldn't hurt

 

[DSnfla]

It all builds for the next job. I'll take a guy who has HC'd in college, don't care about the level, made the jump to the NFL and has been developed to HC in the NFL over some coordinator only without the experience of leading a whole team.

New Haven and Rhode Island ??? There are HS programs better than that!!!!
SMH
OK go ahead and name me a successful HC that had no experience being a OC, DC or even a position coach in the NFL or even a D1 school. It's never been done in the modern NFL. The closest you could come is Levy but he was a HC in the CFL before he was HC in KC , and he bombed in KC before Buffalo.
Just because you've been the boss of a successful mom n pop store does not mean you hire that guy to run Wal-Mart