Reset is not possible (21 Viewers)

[SWJJ]

Trade down and trade this year picks for next year picks suck in 2025 and eat cap. Go into 2026 with a better cap situation and have stacked extra picks

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

Yeah I found it funny that people were complaining that they need to stop pushing every offseason. Then he stops pushing and when injuries hit they complain that Loomis didn't do enough to build the roster. As I stated above, everything is lining up for a clean slate after 2026. That started last offseason by not signing any aging players to long contracts. This will probably mean a similar offseason again and a fragile roster again in 2025.

You'll see a lot of new faces in 2026. I'd say at least 40%

 

[44slayer]

Before we can reset, we have to do what every one of you has either said, or believed for YEARS. No matter who agrees or disagrees with eachother. The dennis defenders and the Neverdennisers. This is the universal agreement we have all had......We have to pay the piper for Loomis can kicking. This was the start of that payment. Next year will likely be another year of payment for the past.

We arent like other teams where we can just rebuild. We have site prep to do. We are trying to build a house on a swamp. Its going to take a couple years of hauling in dirt before we can rebuild. Once we do that, then we can rebuild. At this point, its become necessity. Truth is, it shouldve happened years ago.

We all knew this all along. Loomis created a wasteland inside a NFL franchise.

The problem in all of it is, is Gayle going to allow the man who made the mess, be the one to clean it up?

And the talk of a 1 year contract for Rizzi is, look theres no other way to put it, absurd. And unheard of (extensions are different from initial HC deals). Its been run up the flagpole in many, many other threads, and no one is really saluting.

Also, its Rizzi. He is a special teams coach. Let him special teams.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

That's all fine and good but lets not spin this impossibility of a reset into an excuse to keep the same sheet going. It might be impossible to reset now....but we HAVE to reset, let the current slate of old contracts play out/come off the books then do a reset, doesn't matter if its in 2025/26/27, but it HAS to happen.

I hated DA as the HC, but having that loser as HC could've served one decent purpose...which would be preside over and lead the ashes of what we used to be until the books come clean. Problem was he sucked so damn bad at leading that he killed the morale of the locker room.

 

[Consigliere]

I'm okay with being legit terrible for a few years in order to reset this franchise - i've gone through some pretty long painful rebuild years as a fan in other sports - after it's over it's worth it

The problem is that the Deciders are not okay with it. The interim coach wants a permanent job this offseason. The GM wants to keep his job this offseason. The owner wants profits next season.

So, what makes a championship team in 2027 is not consistent with what makes a mediocre team in 2025, and unfortunately the Deciders want the latter more than the former.

In 2005-06 they did not have a choice, but they do now, and they're looking out for themselves.

 

[fishing4food]

Bringing back aging veterans like Mathieu next year is going to be brutal to watch. His lack of effort this past Monday was putrid. Some of the other aging veterans still give it their best shot but father time has caught up with them.
To the OP. A reset is not possible because of the Loomis Model. The Saints are currently one of the worst teams in possibly the worst division in the NFL. I also can't place most of the blame for the decline this year on injuries. The Lions have been decimated with injuries to key players yet they're still one of the best teams out there. The Saints just don't have the players from most of the starters to the backups. The draft is our best hope to get back on track.

 

[SirLoinSaint64]

More of the same is unacceptable. If the vets don't accept being traded to a team of their choosing, cut them. I don't care if you have to fill out the roster with draft picks and undrafted free agents. At least they will be hungry. Get a new GM. Let him hire the coach.

 

[rlemieux]

Reset already started

Are y’all really in that much denial? Not signing players because you are 70 million over the cap isn’t a reset, it’s a reality. Mickey reminds me of what my dad used to say about my mom’s family. They don’t have 2 nickels to rub together. Mickey has maxed out the credit cards and is broke because of it. The only way to get more money is to make it. Mickeys strategy is bad contract after bad contract with max void years on the back end. I’ll say this again, we’re the only team that operates like this year in and year out. Not because Mickey and Harley are number savants. It’s because the other teams are smart enough to know better.

 

[Stalwart385]

That's absolutely false, Mickey didn't stop pushing money into the future. We restructured all the same guys deals last offseason but the problem is the results this year were no different than if we just ripped the band aid off and start CUTTING (NOT RESTRUCTURE) all those old useless guys. He created this mess and now he is absolutely going to suffer for it when he doesn't get out of the mess correctly.

It is not possible. Your idea can not happen.

 

[St. Geezy]

Basically, the 2025 Saints are going to suck too.........

If the whole team gets injured again, sure.

This team isn’t as bad as it appears though. If healthy, and we sure up a couple of holes and add depth, the turnaround could be rapid.

This isn’t the 90s; you can turn around a team very quickly. Most of these teams are a couple of strokes of luck away from being very good. I know we are 5-10, but it took A LOT of misfortune for that to happen, a perfect storm of events.

 

[St. Geezy]

Are y’all really in that much denial? Not signing players because you are 70 million over the cap isn’t a reset, it’s a reality. Mickey reminds me of what my dad used to say about my mom’s family. They don’t have 2 nickels to rub together. Mickey has maxed out the credit cards and is broke because of it. The only way to get more money is to make it. Mickeys strategy is bad contract after bad contract with max void years on the back end. I’ll say this again, we’re the only team that operates like this year in and year out. Not because Mickey and Harley are number savants. It’s because the other teams are smart enough to know better.

Sorry but this is just not correct. We intentionally DIDN’T max out our restructures this year. We could have done a lot more but decided it was better worth it to get things back in order.

There is no denial…just go study the numbers. More cap space was available, Mickey said before the off-season that we were going to turn down the aggression for this year. Not sure how much more black and white those facts could be.

The heavily regurgitated “maxed out credit card” analogy is tired, played out, and has never properly described what is going on.

I have never heard of a credit card that has virtually guaranteed resets and increases every year and allows you to borrow endlessly from those guaranteed resets and increases and also be over the limit in unlimited fashion in those endless future years, but that’s just me.

 

[B4YOU]

Loomis debt trapped the team. Every year we are forced to restructure in a way that ruins next year's cap and chances to win.

Option 1: This offseason Loomis will restructure 30-38M of Carr's salary tying us to him for 2025 and 2026. Carr will then have a 90M+ cap cost in in 2026 and we will sign Carr to an overpriced extension for cap reasons. Since we did a max restructure, we also bring back Chase Young on a backend deal. This is the "win now" plan with a new HC.

Option 2: Loomis has several handshake retirement/injury agreements with Jordan, HB, Hill, and Ram. We basically PUP list all of them at league minimum like we did with Ram this year. It spreads the signing bonus out over more years and allows for a post-June 1 "retirement" in 2025 or 2026. We restructure only 15-20M of Carr's contract and make him our 1 big cut after 2025. We skip big FA signings and basically tell the new HC he has a pass for this year.

Either way, we are dependent on drafting really well and signing UDFAs because this team can't buy it's way out of a talent hole.

 

[St. Geezy]

Loomis debt trapped the team. Every year we are forced to restructure in a way that ruins next year's cap and chances to win.

Option 1: This offseason Loomis will restructure 30-38M of Carr's salary tying us to him for 2025 and 2026. Carr will then have a 90M+ cap cost in in 2026 and we will sign Carr to an overpriced extension for cap reasons. Since we did a max restructure, we also bring back Chase Young on a backend deal. This is the "win now" plan with a new HC.

Option 2: Loomis has several handshake retirement/injury agreements with Jordan, HB, Hill, and Ram. We basically PUP list all of them at league minimum like we did with Ram this year. It spreads the signing bonus out over more years and allows for a post-June 1 "retirement" in 2025 or 2026. We restructure only 15-20M of Carr's contract and make him our 1 big cut after 2025. We skip big FA signings and basically tell the new HC he has a pass for this year.

Either way, we are dependent on drafting really well and signing UDFAs because this team can't buy it's way out of a talent hole.

Ah ok, but when he was doing all this and the roster was healthy and everyone was celebrating him “Making it happen,” it was all good right?

Nothing has changed other than we have a very unhealthy roster, were poorly coached, and people are angry looking to point the finger at someone or something, but especially things that look different/foreign to the norm.

Cap strategy was awesome when we were healthy, Carr was playing well, and we were 2-0, right?

 

[SweetT]

Basically we need to invest in the draft. Trade down to acquire multiple picks in order to rebuild. This is also the bad side of trading up like we always do and our players leave for other teams to be solid starters.

This right here. If you want a reset, then you acquire as much cheap talent as possible. Best way is through the draft. Not all of the picks will hit, but you take your lumps and bruises, until those big contracts fall off of the books. Then go shopping for veteran talent afterwards

 

[kcirdor]

Nope, because we have been warning about the dangers of this strategy the entire time. But our reality deniers continue to try and claim we were in on it instead of hearing our warnings.

My favorite current talking point is...we have a list of 10 things we need to fix as if they aren't directly tied to the man in charge.