RIP Toby Keith (3 Viewers)

[saintfan-n-alexla]

how are those the only options?

well you either speak freely or you dont

 

[DaveXA]

i will say your motorcycle riding playlist is a thing of beauty

and i'm obviously not saying don't enjoy what/who you enjoy - but i also don't think that someone's passing automatically 'simplifies' their narrative
how a person lived and what they chose to say should be remembered - in a way it 'honors' them way more than glossing over does

While I understand the sentiment, maybe give it a day, or few?

 

[sfidc3]

Stomach cancer killed Ronnie James Dio. No one except his wife even knew Dio had cancer until the end. He passed away in May 2010 six months after being diagnosed

Loved Dio, not a big metal guy, but his voice was just so....powerful....and a good human being from all the stories I've heard about him (if memory serves you have one as well).....

RIP TK, don't know his music but wouldn't wish stomach cancer on anyone, my next door neighbor (Mr. John), who was probably my dad's best friend over the years died from it.....

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

While I understand the sentiment, maybe give it a day, or few?

i promise i'm not trying to be obtuse, but why?

like, Woody Allen was an alltime favorite of mine - now I don't watch any of his movies bc they seemed to be fueled by his misanthropy (for lack of a better word) - when he passes, should i overlook all the ick just so i can rewatch Manhattan unencumbered? why?

 

[ThibodauxSaint]

why admire someone that allows others to control their speech or refrain from expressing themselves while fearing others

Right. I wasn't trying to start an entire debate or derail the thread. I was just saying that I prefer someone who says what they mean instead of worrying about political correctness and whether it offends anyone. Whether I agree or disagree at least I know where that person stands and we can hopefully have a civil discussion about an issue.

 

[Semper]

i will say your motorcycle riding playlist is a thing of beauty

and i'm obviously not saying don't enjoy what/who you enjoy - but i also don't think that someone's passing automatically 'simplifies' their narrative
how a person lived and what they chose to say should be remembered - in a way it 'honors' them way more than glossing over does

It is quite exceptional.

 

[DaveXA]

i promise i'm not trying to be obtuse, but why?

like, Woody Allen was an alltime favorite of mine - now I don't watch any of his movies bc they seemed to be fueled by his misanthropy (for lack of a better word) - when he passes, should i overlook all the ick just so i can rewatch Manhattan unencumbered? why?

Because it's essentially peeing in the Cheerios of those who maybe have some respect or like the guy. I mean, it's a message board and you can do what you want. I'm not a fan nor have I ever listened to his music or know much about him, but at least I have sense enough to let people mourn or whatever. Instead we're talking about this, which is dumb.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Because it's essentially peeing in the Cheerios of those who maybe have some respect or like the guy. I mean, it's a message board and you can do what you want. I'm not a fan nor have I ever listened to his music or know much about him, but at least I have sense enough to let people mourn or whatever. Instead we're talking about this, which is dumb.

and i guess what i'm saying is the pee was already in the cheerios

 

[GrandAdmiral]

My mom died of stomach cancer. I know the hell he went through.

RIP

 

[Semper]

 

[DaveXA]

and i guess what i'm saying is the pee was already in the cheerios

Lol, whatever floats your boat I guess.

 

[Semper]

@DaveXA watch this video man. This might be my favorite TK video. Terry Bradshaw kills it. And make sure to watch the ending.

 

[Bleu Raeder]

Lol, whatever floats your boat I guess.

Pee, in the proper quantities (minus Cheerios), would float many a boat, no?

 

[Saintman2884]

i've never really understood why this is valued - why is that something to be admired?

Because he says some things you personally disagree on or have the willingness to be outspoken on sensitive socio-political issues that might irk or piss off some in your audience? That takes guts.

It doesn't just apply when celebrities express ideas you support or believe in and feel that its okay or justifiable, but criticize the other side when they do the same?

I don't agree with everything someone like Sean Penn, Tim Robbins or Susan Sarandon has been outspoken about over the years but I respect them as being great actors and their willingness to put their careers, reputations, and credibility on the line even if that meant in Penn's case supporting a oppressive, semi-autocratic, power-grabbing caudilo in Hugo Chavez's Venezuela during the 2000's up until his death and how his country, and its overall economy fell apart after his death.

 

[Saintman2884]

FWIW, if Misty wants to get technical, does he know that while Kristofferson served as a military instructor at West Point, as far as I know, he didnt serve in Vietnam or any other war zone or military-style operation, so he himself never killed anyone, or killed another man in combat for his country. He was stationed with the 8th Infantry Division in West Germany in the early 60's and was a helicopter pilot. Jeff Bridges served as a reserve Coast Guardsmen in the early-mid 70's but unlike Kristofferson's rant here, never claimed to have killed anyone or served near any war zone

Lee Marvin, however, on the other hand.. Michael Caine too, BTW, served as a British sergeant major in the Korean War