Rizzi today made another strong case to be the next HC. (merged) (9 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

You have to sign enough mid-level players to contracts. And some of your draft picks are going to be those players. Thomas had his best season after his contract was signed, he was victimized by injuries. Peat absolutely wasn't a bust. He was a versatile player who could step in where needed and you need players like him. He wasn't an All-Pro and was never paid like one. Latt dealt with injuries, had nothing to do with fall off.

And no, you can't pick up players at better prices. If anything, they cost more. You can't and won't keep everyone and not everyone you bring in from other teams are going to be cheap. Other teams are going to be competing for their services.

Sometimes it's cheaper to extend a contract than bring in another player who does the same thing. And a lot of the decision making rests with the vision of the GM because he can see the full picture.

I've long been a fan of Loomis but I think it's time for a fresh set of eyes at the GM position. But no GM in the NFL does what you're suggesting, and with good reason.

The only way I'm on board with GM change is if ML moves to a head of football opps. If you fire ML who's doing the search for a new GM? Lausha ? Mrs.B ? I trust ML more to find either new HC or GM way more than I do them

 

[DSnfla]

We had lost AK and MVS, who were we going to continue moving the ball with?

MIller was doing better than AK this game and we did not lose MVS he's was in on the 2pt

 

[DSnfla]

How did you feel after week 1 and 2?

Exactly, We got a glimpse of what KK could do with not the greatest talent on O. Look at the resurgence of AK. That's all do to KK's system. Look at how much Penning improved, that's all do to KK's system and Benton and Dennison , 2 coaches KK hired. He's had 7 starters miss 33 games on offense and that's before Taysom went down.

To me the biggest reason to try a yr or 2 with Rizzi is that he keeps the whole offensive staff. I'd rather not have all the offensive players have to go through learning 3 systems in 3 yrs

 

[DSnfla]

When one takes a sincere look around the league, they’ll realize that pretty much all the top offensive coaches and assistants had “cup o’coffee” stints in the NFL. The elites and Hall-of-Famers tend to go out and do other stuff.

Then there’s this fan base, clamoring for Drew Brees and Jon Vilma to come back and coach.

Do what other stuff? Almost all of the successful HC were OC's or DC's before the took a HC position. I think the issue is that an OC can have 1 yr of being an OC and have success and he gets hired as a HC . Brady is a prime example. He had maybe the greatest college offense in history and he was CO OC at LSU and was not the primary play caller for 1 yr and he gets the Car OC job, He bombs there and goes to Buff as QB coach with maybe the best QB in the league. The OC get's fired and Brady gets promoted. He does well but he's got Allen for a QB. Now he's a hot HC prospect.

 

[DSnfla]

Kendre Miller, Foster Moreau, and we don't know that MVS wouldn't play in OT. As far as I know they aren't even talking about him missing time this week.

So pretty much so the guys we relied on in the last TD drive and for most of the second half.

I'm ultimately fine with going for two since the season is over anyway so YOLO. But I'm not sure the idea that we didn't have anyone to play makes sense. We had basically the same offensive players that had gotten us back in the game in the second half (minus Kamara who was only really effective on the TD pass) and the same defensive players since Kool-Aid was expected to go back in if we had another defensive series.

MVS was in on the 2pt , why would he not play in OT?

 

[BBarnes]

I’m not *acting* like anything.

I’m disagreeing with your assertion and pointing out that you seem to be ignoring that the Saints have, in fact, been competitive in every game since Rizzi took over. We will see if that holds but right now you’re warning against something that isn’t even supported by the current results.

lol ok man. I pointed how flawed your thinking is with factual information. I get your side has factual info as well with the record of the two teams, no matter if we all know the schedules aren’t comparable bc we have played a junior high schedule the last 5 games compared to theirs.

I simply said I think the Saints continuing to do what they’ve been doing is leading us to be more like the Panthers than what we all want. There’s three seasons of current results showing exactly what I’m talking about. Being competitive against a schedule of teams that are 29-39 shouldn’t impress anyone.

I don’t mind if Rizzi is the coach but if they think he’s the long term answer at head coach they’ll be going through this process in another couple years.

 

[DavidM]

lol ok man. I pointed how flawed your thinking is with factual information. I get your side has factual info as well with the record of the two teams, no matter if we all know the schedules aren’t comparable bc we have played a junior high schedule the last 5 games compared to theirs.

I simply said I think the Saints continuing to do what they’ve been doing is leading us to be more like the Panthers than what we all want. There’s three seasons of current results showing exactly what I’m talking about. Being competitive against a schedule of teams that are 29-39 shouldn’t impress anyone.

I don’t mind if Rizzi is the coach but if they think he’s the long term answer at head coach they’ll be going through this process in another couple years.

Lol I was pointing out that Rizzi has the Saints playing competitively and with a team that most of us agree is decimated with injuries and not very talented. Yes, the Panthers have faced some good teams the last few weeks but they’ve still lost all but one of those games, making your initial point pretty much meaningless.

Now you’re arguing that hiring Rizzi would just be continuing what they’ve been doing the last three years when you have no idea what his vision for the staff and roster might be if hired.

I’m all for an open coaching search - and if somebody like Ben Johnson was interested, I think the team needs to make that move - but Rizzi already has established a course correction from where Allen left this team whether you want to see it or not.

 

[DavidM]

IF this happens we might as well just accept we are heading towards being the Panthers and not the Panthers from the last few weeks that are at least competitive.

Going back to what you originally said:

“The Panthers from the last few weeks that are at least competitive.”

Maybe you meant something other than the way it comes across, but I’m pointing out that the Saints have also been competitive the last few weeks, and certainly if you’re using the Panthers as the barometer. Do you really not think the Saints have been competitive the last few weeks but the Panthers have?

 

[DaveXA]

MIller was doing better than AK this game and we did not lose MVS he's was in on the 2pt

I'd point out that the reason at least in part is they were keying on AK the whole game. Not so much with Miller. I have no doubt they'd do more to take away Miller in the OT.

And I still think the odds are somewhat long in either case. Washington was the better team most of the game. There's no reason that changes in the OT period.

And Daniels has already performed late game magic multiple times this season so he's pretty good at playing in crunch time.

 

[Hubig]

Need to look beyond the '25 season. Go find a guy who can develop young QB's to be your headcoach and can design a very simple system. You have Carr 1 more season because of contract constraints. I'm a big fat no on full-time Rizzi. Jim Derry of the dattitude podcast broke down the history of Intern's getting the full-time gig and it was so awful, they were all fired shortly after. The history is so far on the side of failure that it would just be an irresponsible hire. Liam Coen is who I'd have high on the list. He has Baker playing out of his mind this season.

 

[DSnfla]

I'd point out that the reason at least in part is they were keying on AK the whole game. Not so much with Miller. I have no doubt they'd do more to take away Miller in the OT.

And I still think the odds are somewhat long in either case. Washington was the better team most of the game. There's no reason that changes in the OT period.

And Daniels has already performed late game magic multiple times this season so he's pretty good at playing in crunch time.

They were keying on whoever was the RB and he still had a very good 2nd half. And they only got 6 points in the 2nd half and we were getting to Daniels. And Wash also scre#%ed the pooch in a couple games too.Sorry Momentum was way on our side. Our chances were better in OT

 

[0rion]

How did you feel after week 1 and 2?

Suspect

 

[Snakehead]

Suspect

Okay...

 

[504gks]

Drafting high helped Campbell.

Its true. The problem for the last 15 yrs is all the 7win seasons. Never get an obvious high pick. We never move back and get more picks

 

[504gks]

To be blunt, It doesn't matter as its not the purpose of the post. I'm more curious what people would like to see as coaches under Rizzi if he's retained as HC.

Saleh

We have been competitive every week since Rizzi took over, on the way to his compiling a 3-2 record. The Panthers are 1-4 over that same stretch. Not really sure what point you’re trying to make.

And, no, I’m not saying just give the job to Rizzi.

We played 2 win teams, Las Vegas doesnt think we are very good(14 pt dogs). I think they pickrd us as 7 win team before the season