Rizzi today made another strong case to be the next HC. (merged) (8 Viewers)

[DavidM]

I never once said the Saints have not been competitive under Rizzi, you brought that up.

I said it's not that good of a comparison because we have played teams with a combined record of 29-39 while they have played a schedule WAYYYYY more difficult in that same time period. Being "COMPETITIVE" against a joke schedule that includes a descending Falcons team and 2 of the top 4 worst teams in the NFL is not something to flex about. The Panthers going from the laughing stock of the NFL this season to almost beating the Chiefs, Eagles, and Tampa in that same stretch is much more impressive.

However, you made a debate out of something completely off topic. Again, all I said in the original post was that if we continue doing what we have been doing "that is how ML likes to do it" then we are headed towards being the 4th place team in the division like the Panthers have been.

Let's just take a breath and accept that we can agree to disagree. I do think the Saints have been competitive under Rizzi it's just not as impressive as what the Panthers have done in that same stretch against much much much harder competition, I do think Rizzi has done what was asked of him, I do think the Saints should hire outside the organization and get some new life and thoughts in the building. My thoughts may not be right at all, I am aware of that as well.

You literally said at least the Panthers have been competitive. If that wasn’t to imply the Saints haven’t been competitive over the same stretch of games, like I said, you could have worded it differently. You could have cleared that up in your first reply back to me instead of all this.

Agree with your last sentence; both in regards to you and to me.

 

[RJS]

I would just add this, the 2 losses he has were close games against the Commanders and Rams. It's clear the Rams are playing at a very high level since getting their playmakers back. Saints held them scoreless in the first half. Maybe that was a bit of a fluke, but being competitive in every single game has to be worth acknowledging at least.

I don't know that it's enough to earn an interview for the permanent HC position, but it seems prudent to at least give it some consideration.

He's almost certainly getting an interview seeing he was a finalist for the job in 2022. It sure would be interesting to know what his plan was for the future during that interview. Same goes for Brian Flores and Aaron Glenn.

 

[sbford]

If you go to overtime, you're basically saying instead of trying to get 3 yards to win, let's start back near our end zone, have to travel the field, and try to get where we already are for another shot. That's if they lose the coin toss. If they win the toss, we may not even get a chance to touch the ball if they get a TD. I have no problem with the call. Maybe the play call itself and the execution, but not the decision to go for it.

 

[BBarnes]

I would just add this, the 2 losses he has were close games against the Commanders and Rams. It's clear the Rams are playing at a very high level since getting their playmakers back. Saints held them scoreless in the first half. Maybe that was a bit of a fluke, but being competitive in every single game has to be worth acknowledging at least.

I don't know that it's enough to earn an interview for the permanent HC position, but it seems prudent to at least give it some consideration.

Again, I have acknowledged many times that the Saints have been competitive. This has become the vocal point when it was not me that ever brought this up. It had nothing to do with my post. It was just David deflecting, which is fine.

I think Rizzi has done enough to throw his name in the hat for consideration. I do not at all disagree with that.

 

[BBarnes]

You literally said at least the Panthers have been competitive. If that wasn’t to imply the Saints haven’t been competitive over the same stretch of games, like I said, you could have worded it differently. You could have cleared that up in your first reply back to me instead of all this.

Agree with your last sentence; both in regards to you and to me.

Again, you are wrong..... Show me where I said "at least the Panthers have been competitive" in comparison to the Saints. I'll wait.....




Stop saying, "I could have worded it differently." This is an issue with you not taking accountability for your lack of interpretation.

My post said

"IF this happens we might as well just accept we are heading towards being the Panthers and not the Panthers from the last few weeks that are at least competitive"


I simply said we are headed towards being the Panthers from the beginning of the year that were terrible not the still crappy Panthers that are at least competitive. That is in no way a reference to the Saints not being competitive, we were not comparing the two teams currently in any way.

 

[DavidM]

Again, you are wrong..... Show me where I said "at least the Panthers have been competitive". I'll wait.....




Stop saying, "I could have worded it differently." This is an issue with you not taking accountability for your lack of interpretation.

My post said

"IF this happens we might as well just accept we are heading towards being the Panthers and not the Panthers from the last few weeks that are at least competitive"

Nowhere does that even come close to implying that the Saints are not being competitive; it has nothing to do with the Saints this season. You got off topic because you misinterpreted what was said.

I SAID WE IF WE DO THAT WE ARE HEADED TOWARDS BEING THE PANTHERS, AND NOT THIS SEASON'S BEST VERSION OF THE PANTHERS WHICH IS THE LAST FEW WEEKS, MORE LIKE THE VERSION FROM EARLY IN THE SEASON.

You my friend did not understand something, that is not my job to clean it up for you when you are the one that created something that was not there.

I already brought this up, reposting your original comment that I had replied to. You could have just cleared it up then rather than be so antagonistic. If it was a misunderstanding, this could have all been avoided.

Read your sentence again, and tell me if a reader couldn’t easily misunderstand what you were apparently trying to convey?

“IF this happens we might as well just accept we are heading towards being the Panthers and not the Panthers from the last few weeks that are at least competitive.”

I’ll accept that you were comparing the Panthers to the Panthers and not the way it read.

 

[DSnfla]

we never would have made those trades

It was 1 trade the Stafford trade

 

[DSnfla]

Did you ever stop and realize that there is a very good reason that the Bills picked Allen to work with the "maybe the best QB in the league"?

And he didn't bomb in Carolina, with that dysfunctional organization he never had a chance.....you also might want to stop and realize that they also promoted him to OC really quickly and seeing the results of that this year.....is because he is really, really good at what he does....we get him then the offensive side of the ball is set, questions become a) is he a leader of men b) can he attract a good DC on the other side of the ball....he's also only 35 so if he works out here as HC we could have him for a very long time.....



Well said, I find the criticism of Rizzi a little much. Driven by really unrealistic expectations of somehow making the playoffs it seems.....He's done just fine given the circumstances, at least enough to earn an interview....

The team may not be playing consistently well, but the effort is certainly there, to me that means the locker room is in much better shape since he took over....

When you have a great race car you don't need a great driver. Brady inherited great QBs @ LSU and in Buff. When he didn't have a great one he bombed, yes he bombed in Car. He had Bridgewater and he had Darnold a guy that is now doing very well in Min. Brady couldn't get anything out of Darnold but O'Donnel did. Brady has developed no on. And he was not even the OC @ LSU he was passing game coordinator. WRs coach. He's not ready to be a HC. Let him develop a QB or really elevate one

 

[Goatman Saint]

I think this team can be built just fine in this offseason. The big one that we need to see is how our young QB develops. He came in at halftime and the team got going. This is a good sign. He seemed better than the last time he played. So, if the saints brain trust can decide to go with him, set Carr and his enormous salary free, that gives enough with a good draft to get some badly needed skill pieces. I’m not thinking we are Super Bowl next year, but add someone who can catch a pass to this roster as it sits and it makes this team consistently competitive.

 

[sfidc3]

When you have a great race car you don't need a great driver. Brady inherited great QBs @ LSU and in Buff. When he didn't have a great one he bombed, yes he bombed in Car. He had Bridgewater and he had Darnold a guy that is now doing very well in Min. Brady couldn't get anything out of Darnold but O'Donnel did. Brady has developed no on. And he was not even the OC @ LSU he was passing game coordinator. WRs coach. He's not ready to be a HC. Let him develop a QB or really elevate one

I believe it is common knowledge he was the really playing the role of OC at LSU. He did well enough there in 1 year to actually get an NFL OC job, and no matter how much you prattle on about him "bombing" in Carolina I really don't believe that will impact the demand for him as a HC (maybe now or in a few years) because teams with smart FO's (like the Bills) realize when a young coach is in a bad situation.

You are also totally ignoring why a team with one of the top 2-3 QBs in the NFL went after and hired him then promoted him to OC in a years time.....It's called upward trajectory, and it's how young, promising coordinators eventually get HCing jobs.....I believe in the next few years, whether here (hopefully) or elsewhere he will be an NFL HC.....Will he be a good one? impossible to know.....but I think he is a guy that I would be willing to take a chance on....

 

[DSnfla]

I believe it is common knowledge he was the really playing the role of OC at LSU. He did well enough there in 1 year to actually get an NFL OC job, and no matter how much you prattle on about him "bombing" in Carolina I really don't believe that will impact the demand for him as a HC (maybe now or in a few years) because teams with smart FO's (like the Bills) realize when a young coach is in a bad situation.

You are also totally ignoring why a team with one of the top 2-3 QBs in the NFL went after and hired him then promoted him to OC in a years time.....It's called upward trajectory, and it's how young, promising coordinators eventually get HCing jobs.....I believe in the next few years, whether here (hopefully) or elsewhere he will be an NFL HC.....Will he be a good one? impossible to know.....but I think he is a guy that I would be willing to take a chance on....

They didn't go after Brady they had a vacancy when the ast QB coach Tiemey to the QB coach with the Giants. Brady has to show me that he can take a QB or an offense that is avg. and make them above avg. Not take great players and keep them doing the same thing.
And it was Ensminger that called plays @ LSU not Brady, yes Brady brought concepts he got from working with Payton but Ensminger was the OC

 

[sfidc3]

They didn't go after Brady they had a vacancy when the ast QB coach Tiemey to the QB coach with the Giants. Brady has to show me that he can take a QB or an offense that is avg. and make them above avg. Not take great players and keep them doing the same thing.
And it was Ensminger that called plays @ LSU not Brady, yes Brady brought concepts he got from working with Payton but Ensminger was the OC

That’s not my understanding about what happened …..at all…..if that were the case why did Brady get the job offers and Ensminger didn’t?

Also, (along with most of the great offensive players) that offense left with Brady, what they ran in 2020 wasn’t remotely the same as what they did in 2019…..

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim…..

 

[DSnfla]

That’s not my understanding about what happened …..at all…..if that were the case why did Brady get the job offers and Ensminger didn’t?

Also, (along with most of the great offensive players) that offense left with Brady, what they ran in 2020 wasn’t remotely the same as what they did in 2019…..

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim…..

Ensminger who I know from HS football @ EJ didn't want to leave LSU he semi-retired after 2020 so he was not taking any other offers. They didn't run the same thing because the QB position was a mess.
He's a excerpt form a interview Steve did with Geaux247 , it's a pay site so II won't past the link. Steve is a pretty humble guy and likes to give credit to everyone but himself but you'll get the idea.

Q. What's happening on the headsets when you guys are in between series?
STEVE ENSMINGER: As I say, Coach Brady is on his set with Joe Burrow. They're discussing what they saw. Coach Craig is on the offensive line. We're asking, Hey, what did Lloyd see. Lloyd Cushenberry is my MVP, I'm going to tell you. He makes probably 99% of the calls, and Joe has his chance to check it. As far as being around those guys and everything else, they're very seldom wrong.

 

[sfidc3]

Ensminger who I know from HS football @ EJ didn't want to leave LSU he semi-retired after 2020 so he was not taking any other offers. They didn't run the same thing because the QB position was a mess.
He's a excerpt form a interview Steve did with Geaux247 , it's a pay site so II won't past the link. Steve is a pretty humble guy and likes to give credit to everyone but himself but you'll get the idea.

Q. What's happening on the headsets when you guys are in between series?
STEVE ENSMINGER: As I say, Coach Brady is on his set with Joe Burrow. They're discussing what they saw. Coach Craig is on the offensive line. We're asking, Hey, what did Lloyd see. Lloyd Cushenberry is my MVP, I'm going to tell you. He makes probably 99% of the calls, and Joe has his chance to check it. As far as being around those guys and everything else, they're very seldom wrong.

Not sure this means much of anything….at all….

And I have nothing against Ensminger, I remember him playing the passing QB at LSU in the infamous dual QB days (ironically David Woodley who was supposed to be the running QB, actually had a pretty good NFL career), but from the coaching side Brady was the brains behind that offense, I’ve never heard anything that would dispel this…..