Saints candidates Kellen Moore, Joe Brady [and Kliff Kingsbury] compared to Ben Johnson in offensive rankings (3 Viewers)

[St. Geezy]

Where do some of you get the idea that Brady is a courtesy interview? The man already has several interviews lined up.

“Courtesy” probably isn’t the right word but more so due diligence. I don’t believe he’s getting our job.

 

[DSnfla]

This is a really difficult thing to go by because of the talent of each roster. Joe Brady hasn't had much to work with. Its not like the Bills are swimming in talent at any position other then QB, and they're doing better with less at WR then previous years. On the other hand you have Ben Johnson clearly leading the better offense that is utterly stacked with talent across the board. They have 2 RB's who could start for most NFL rosters and two WR's that would be WR1's in most rosters. Also a top 10 TE and an Oline that is all first round picks (I think one of em may have been a 2nd or 3rd).

On the other hand, you have Moore. I find him to be very underwhelming. Stats aside, he had quite some talent with the Chargers, and their offense kept disappointing. Now he's with the Eagles, and aside from Barkley, their passing attack has been lackluster eerily similar to the Chargers. I'm just not impressed with Kellen Moore at all. It's not a coincidence that someone else takes over the Chargers, lose a key WR1 and a key RB1 and somehow immediately are doing much better offensively.

I disagree about Brady, Cook is a very good RB ,he has a good OL and a very good WR corps of Cooper,Coleman, Shakir and Samuels. And an elite QB

 

[DSnfla]

This is something that I was stating yesterday. Everybody is like "but Joe Brady has Josh Allen" not realizing that the Bills offense is driven off of the run game. Nothing that Josh Allen is doing this season with his arm is overly impressive.

The thing about Joe Brady is if he actually worked on the RZ and 2 minute offense in Carolina, that season with Teddy B would have been the best offensive showing he has had, and that's without CMC being the focal point of the offense. When you realize that the 2020 Panthers had 2 1k yard receivers, 1 receiver with 850 yards, 4 players with over 1k yards of total offense, they lost 8 games by a single score, while having one of the worst RZ offenses in the NFL. it shows that Joe Brady (and especially Teddy B) wasn't a slouch. He just needed experience and to work on those few things. Thankfully, bad organizations are always shortsighted...lol

LOL wait, The key phrase is "If he worked on the RZ offense"
How does an OC NOT work on the RZ O??? C'mon bud
When Brady did not have elite talent he bombed. And Allen's legs are what has made their rushing attack. Also it's his off-script playmaking that is what has them winning. Not really something Brady is responsible for

Before I would be onboard with Brady I have to see him do something with lass than elite talent

 

[DSnfla]

Joe Brady, the man, is not what you guys think he is. It’s really difficult to envision him as a NFL HC, leading a full locker room of players and coaches, and that’s not just me saying that.

This is more a due diligence, courtesy interview IMO.

Would love to be proven wrong on this and see the kid show he’s matured a lot and knock it out of the park.

For his sake, he better hope other HC needy teams aren’t calling SP for his opinion.

I could see him being a HC at the FBS college level currently, maybe.

Absolutely, The guy didn't even practice RZ in Car. He gets way too much credit from his ONE yr @lsu. He didn't even call plays there. He needs to show he has what it takes to be a HC maybe take a college HC position and do something with less than elite talent

 

[reason2believe]

Yeah I don't know if they are HC material or not but Johnson has impressed me the most. Just his situation, his support and what he's accomplished.

Me too. I think about fhe players standing in front of each coach and I just don’t see it with Moore and Brady. It takes a certain personality and an ability to lead and command. Not everyone who can run a good offense is made to be a head coach.

 

[nakadish]

Johnson has said he wants a job where there's a high chance of a second contract, this isn't that job.

If you want a 2nd contract, don't suck.

 

[bayoumilitia]

LOL wait, The key phrase is "If he worked on the RZ offense"
How does an OC NOT work on the RZ O??? C'mon bud
When Brady did not have elite talent he bombed. And Allen's legs are what has made their rushing attack. Also it's his off-script playmaking that is what has them winning. Not really something Brady is responsible for

Before I would be onboard with Brady I have to see him do something with lass than elite talent

I totally agree. I posted earlier about Buffalo and Joe Brady’s success this year not being what most people think. For what it’s worth Bo Nix has more passing yards and a better completion percentage than Josh Allen and I believe only about 100 yards less rushing. So maybe the Saints should be looking at Joe Lombardi as a serious HC candidate to lol. Who has Buffalo or Joe Brady really called a good game against this year? Maybe at Detroit when Aaron Glenn was still trying to plug in 3rd string defensive guys. Other than that game they beat bad to mediocre teams only. They lost to current playoff teams. If anything Josh Allen’s numbers have regressed at least from a yardage and TD standpoint under Joe Brady. He’s throwing less interceptions but his attempts are down and that correlates to their freaking NFL best +24 in turnover margin. Once again, I’m not saying Joe Brady is a horrible OC, he’s okay and a fair passing game coordinator but in my opinion just not ready to be an NFL coach. But hey, I concede that I did not think Sean McVay would do well either and he’s survived and actually has made adjustments to his plays. Heck, that was one of Buffalo’s 4 losses. A shootout at the Rams, McVay just made better calls down the stretch.

 

[St. Geezy]

Johnson has said he wants a job where there's a high chance of a second contract, this isn't that job.

To tell you the truth, Johnson’s attitude with this process kind of turns me off. I have never seen a coaching candidate more scared to take a tough job. All of these jobs are challenges or else they wouldn’t be available.

Man up and stop waiting for a tailor made program to be handed to you, especially as a guy with no HC skins on the wall like a Payton or Harbaugh.

If he’s that fearful in his ability to turn a program around, that may say something about him, from a psychological perspective and that “something” may not be conducive with being a good first time HC.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Mmmmm. So don’t be shocked if SP and Denver bounces Joe Brady and Josh Allen out of the playoffs this weekend. They beat them 24-22 last year in Buffalo and I’d argue that Denver’s D is better this year. Btw, Bo Nix has more passing yards and a higher completion percentage than Josh Allen soooooo. Look at who Buffalo beat and who they lost to this year. They barely beat an injury depleted Detroit team. I would argue that’s their only quality win. They lost a shoot out to the Rams, got beat by the Texans in Houston and beat down by the Ravens. The rest of their wins were meh. Jacksonville, Tennessee at home? Nothing special. So let’s see Joe Brady and Josh take care of business against Bo Nix and his former boss before we start considering him for our coaching position please.

I think he’s a good OC, definitely a good passing coordinator but HC in the NFL? I’m not so sure just yet.

You say that as if Joe Brady is a head coach making the decisions for the full team. Let's not forget you're comparing what is likely a hall of fame coach, controlling a full team who has been coaching in the NFL for 18 years, has gone through his growing pains as a head coach (remember 07 and 08), to an offensive coordinator with not much more then an MVP QB to work with and rely on carrying his team offense that is all he has fair control over (and still not full control since he has a head coach to answer to).

 

[Rouxble]

To tell you the truth, Johnson’s attitude with this process kind of turns me off. I have never seen a coaching candidate more scared to take a tough job. All of these jobs are challenges or else they wouldn’t be available.

Man up and stop waiting for a tailor made program to be handed to you, especially as a guy with no HC skins on the wall like a Payton or Harbaugh.

If he’s that fearful in his ability to turn a program around, that may say something about him, from a psychological perspective and that “something” may not be conducive with being a good first time HC.

He inherited a lot with the Lions since he took over in 2022, and he probably knows it.

• Three first round players on the OL that are performing at a first round level (Lynn barely had one due to injuries)
• A first round Super Bowl QB
• Premium picks invested at RB, TE, WR
• Plenty of cap space to re-sign everyone and add Montgomery at RB1b
• A winning lottery ticket with St Brown
• I would add Hutchinson as part of his good fortune, because he gets the ball back for the offense (Lions were 4th, 6th, and 11th the last three years for average starting field position)

He’s not going to find a setup like that anywhere, I don’t think any team has a premium asset like Stafford to cash in for multiple picks, while still ending up with a Super Bowl QB as your starter.

 

[jahsoul357]

LOL wait, The key phrase is "If he worked on the RZ offense"
How does an OC NOT work on the RZ O??? C'mon bud

Well, apparently, he learned his lesson because the 2024 Bills are #2 in red zone efficiency.

When Brady did not have elite talent he bombed. And Allen's legs are what has made their rushing attack.

It was his first OC role in the NFL and when you look at it in its totality, it is nowhere close to what you are making it. His issue in Carolina was red zone offense and that was 4 years ago. Yep, he is a more efficient runner than he is passer when he doesn't have Diggs to throw it to. Crazy how we talk about elite QB play but don't none of these QBs make the receiver talent better around them...lol

Also it's his off-script playmaking that is what has them winning. Not really something Brady is responsible for

He wasn't even the best in the league in off-script playmaking. And that's not why they were winning. They were winning because of their run game and defense.

Before I would be onboard with Brady I have to see him do something with lass than elite talent

See my second point...lol

 

[Rouxble]

Well, apparently, he learned his lesson because the 2024 Bills are #2 in red zone efficiency.

And the 2022 Bills were #1 in red zone efficiency, and then #4 in 2023. In the first 10 games of 2023 with Ken Dorsey, they were #2 in red zone efficiency, but were #16 the last seven games of the season.

I think the red zone efficiency is correlating with something else, and it isn't Brady.

 

[Saints 318]

It just shows u need a good qb

 

[jahsoul357]

And the 2022 Bills were #1 in red zone efficiency, and then #4 in 2023. In the first 10 games of 2023 with Ken Dorsey, they were #2 in red zone efficiency, but were #16 the last seven games of the season.

I think the red zone efficiency is correlating with something else, and it isn't Brady.

Actually, as @DSnfla pointed out, Teddy B called out the fact that the red zone was something they didn't emphasize. Also, if you believe that red zone efficiency is tied to Josh Allen, they would have maintained their efficiency last season. Brady basically had to call Dorsey's offense. Josh Allen got worst with Brady last season but this season, he implemented his offense and here we are.

 

[sfidc3]

Joe Brady, the man, is not what you guys think he is. It’s really difficult to envision him as a NFL HC, leading a full locker room of players and coaches, and that’s not just me saying that.

This is more a due diligence, courtesy interview IMO.

Would love to be proven wrong on this and see the kid show he’s matured a lot and knock it out of the park.

For his sake, he better hope other HC needy teams aren’t calling SP for his opinion.

I could see him being a HC at the FBS college level currently, maybe.

Do you have a source for these claims or are they just feewings?