Saints could get to $14.61 million under the cap without restructuring Derek Carr, after Saints salary cap potentially increases by $5M (18 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

The increased cap can help ease the blow of moving away from Carr and other vets that no longer fit the direction of the team going forward.

And a 22 mil increased cap next yr makes it easier to restructure DC this yr , pay whatever we pay him this yr and revisit cutting him next yr and not handicap the team this yr

 

[SonOfNOLA]

Yes but of those restructures DD and Mathieu will be in that #. Guys that should not have their contracts touched due to being on the decline. DD and Mathieu should be left to play out their contacts without being force to keep them due to cap considerations.

That 10 mil from the additional restructures and releases will be enough to pay for the draft class but not to resign even our own FAs like Adebo, JJ , Harris , MVS not to mention any other FAs. Then there's the QB position. Are we going to waste 5-10 mill on a cheap vet QB, or start Rattler and pretty much have a throw away season? If so is that a good way to start CKM's career with the Saints?
I think we restructure DC this yr , sign our own FAs and maybe a couple upgrades, not restructure the aging players. Compete for the NFCS. Then revisit the DC situation next yr. CKM gets a yr to evaluate Rattler and look for a long term QB answer. Also the cap is going to be going up at least 22 mil next yr making it easier to absorb DC's contract even if it's a 6/1 cut

Yes it’s not ideal to restructure Demario and Tyrann due to their ages. But if it came down to it, those two would have to be done to immediately clear 10M and get it out of the way. Even at their ages, both are still the team’s best starters at their positions right now.

Between the four expensive aging players Cam, Taysom, Demario, and Tyrann, the last two have the lower double digit cap hits. Demario and Tyrann have been more productive annd available and have played at a level that somewhat matches their cap hits. While Cam and Taysom absolutely have to be approached for paycuts. If necessary, restructuring the 2 productive older players of the 4 won’t impact the 2026 cap as much due to Carr’s contract coming off the books at some point, in either post 6/1 2025 or in 2026.

The same 2026 cap benefits of waiting to release Carr in 2026 due to another cap increase also applies to the increased 2026 cap space potentially absorbing Carr’s 2025 release’s dead money. Some of the potential 2025 post 6/1 cap savings can also roll over for that too. It can be beneficial to wait or beneficial to do it now depending on the head coach’s vision. If the HC wants to move on now and begin implementing developing younger QBs now, there’s simple ways to begin that process and have available cap space in March. The offensive coaching staff appears to be constructed to produce an above average offense at min in 2025, whether it’s with an older vet or younger QB.

 

[DSnfla]

DD and Mathieu, as well as Hill and Cam will probably take pay cuts. And even if you did have to restructure them all it probably would not equal the cost of the restructure for Carr.

You are assuming that 4 players will take pay cuts. And they are just a few of the players that will need to be restructured
I had to restructure or cut 15 players just to get cap compliant with DC being a 6/1 cut , not counting any pay cut TH or Cam would be doing
Try over the cap for yourself

 

[DSnfla]

Yes it’s not ideal to restructure Demario and Tyrann due to their ages. But if it came down to it, those two would have to be done to immediately clear 10M and get it out of the way. Even at their ages, both are still the best starters at their positions on the team right now.

Between the four expensive aging players Cam, Taysom, Demario, and Tyrann, the last two have the lower double digit cap hits. Demario and Tyrann have been more productive annd available and have played at a level that somewhat matches their cap hits. While Cam and Taysom absolutely have to be approached for paycuts. If necessary, restructuring the 2 productive older players of the 4 won’t impact the 2026 cap as much due to Carr’s contract coming off the books at some point, in either post 6/1 2025 or in 2026.

The same 2026 cap benefits of waiting to release Carr in 2026 due to another cap increase also applies to the 2026 cap space potentially absorbing Carr’s 2025 release’s dead money. It can be beneficial to wait or beneficial to do it now depending on the head coach’s vision. If the HC wants to move on now and begin implementing developing younger QBs now, there’s simple ways to begin that process and available cap space in March. The offensive coaching staff appears to be constructed to produce an above average offense at min in 2025, whether it’s with an older vet or younger QB

And we won't be able to sign our own FAs like Adebo, JJ, Harris MVS let alone anyone else. That $ we get back from the DC 6/1 will mostly have to be used the following yr because FA will pretty much be over. That 10 mil you got under the cap will go to the draft class. Now we could wast 10 mil or so on a cheap vet QB or start Rattler and have a throw away season

You think that's an ideal way to start CKM tenure as HC?

 

[St. Widge]

You are assuming that 4 players will take pay cuts. And they are just a few of the players that will need to be restructured
I had to restructure or cut 15 players just to get cap compliant with DC being a 6/1 cut , not counting any pay cut TH or Cam would be doing
Try over the cap for yourself

I'm not assuming. I think they likely will but even if they don't I'd rather have those vets that are leaders on the team than Carr. And all of them are still relatively productive players.

And I don't have to look at OTC because several posters here have given more than reasonable options for cutting Carr if that's what Moore wants to do.

 

[SuperSaint]

I hear ya Sup, you along with many others have mentioned the restructuring of Carr’s contract but Carr has to agree to a restructure. I could have sworn that Carr already said that he’s not going to do that. So isn’t this irrelevant?

If Coach Moore wants and Nuss wants a different QB to run their offense other than Carr then they are more likely than not actively trying to find a team to trade for him not restructure his contract. If not then they will keep Carr, kick the can to 2026 wether the fan base likes it or not and have Carr mentor Ratler, a draft pick or watch another QB that they bring in.

He said he wasn't going to take a pay cut, that has nothing to do with restructuring, it's just moving the money around and giving him a lump-sum signing bonus.

 

[Judge_Smails]

It's BWS. Brees Withdrawl Syndrome. Nothing short of Carr making the NFCCG would have been enough for these people Plus the DA hate that rubbed off on Carr

Or maybe it’s Douche Rejection Syndrome?

 

[SonOfNOLA]

And we won't be able to sign our own FAs like Adebo, JJ, Harris MVS let alone anyone else. That $ we get back from the DC 6/1 will mostly have to be used the following yr because FA will pretty much be over. That 10 mil you got under the cap will go to the draft class. Now we could wast 10 mil or so on a cheap vet QB or start Rattler and have a throw away season

You think that's an ideal way to start CKM tenure as HC?

We absolutely could re-sign all of Adebo, Young, Harris, Johnson, and MVS. Only Adebo will have the most expensive cap hit. Their 1st year cap hits can be structured between 1.5M-5M range with void years, which has been the Saints’ standard procedure for FA contract structure. Bonuses guaranteed to be paid just before the following offseason/next league year also lowers 1st year cap hit of a high AAV player.

Harris and MVS are 2M-2.5M per year max players which is affordable. Their cap hits would be half of the yearly AAV with a void year. Johnson would be looking at a 1.8M-2.5M cap hit on a 5M-6M per year AAV. Adebo’s 1st year cap hit can be structured to around 4.5M like the 1st year cap hit of Lattimore’s extension in ‘21. Young’s year 1 cap hit could be around 3.5M again like his 2024 cap hit, or a little higher. All key re-signings’ potential cap hits can fit within the immediate 14.6M cap space that the Saints could create without restructuring Carr.

I think the re-signings who should be prioritized the most based on depth would be Harris, Young, and MVS. If the Saints decide to be cap strict at CB and TE based on the potential high markets of Adebo and Johnson, they may replace them with top talent on rookie deals at the top of the draft. The cap that would’ve been used on Adebo could go towards signing two of a younger vet QB, OL and DL. It’s possible to re-sign key players and add other FAs in March without needing Carr’s restructure.

 

[StudioSaint]

Or maybe it’s Douche Rejection Syndrome?

Name calling speaks a lot more truth about the person calling other people names, than it speaks truth about anyone else.

 

[StudioSaint]

We absolutely could re-sign all of Adebo, Young, Harris, Johnson, and MVS. Only Adebo will have the most expensive cap hit. Their 1st year cap hits can be structured between 1.5M-5M range with void years, which has been the Saints’ standard procedure for FA contract structure.

True, but that's also Loomis kicking the salary cap impact down the road like he usually does. Most of the people wanting to cut Carr are also very much against Loomis continuing to do business this way.

They want it to be daytime and nighttime at the same time.

 

[DSnfla]

Or maybe it’s Douche Rejection Syndrome?

Yup you just validated my point. The Carr hate is personal with some of you. It's not about what's best for the team as long as you get your hated player gone . SMH

 

[DSnfla]

We absolutely could re-sign all of Adebo, Young, Harris, Johnson, and MVS. Only Adebo will have the most expensive cap hit. Their 1st year cap hits can be structured between 1.5M-5M range with void years, which has been the Saints’ standard procedure for FA contract structure. Bonuses guaranteed to be paid just before the following offseason/next league year also lowers 1st year cap hit of a high AAV player.

Harris and MVS are 2M-2.5M per year max players which is affordable. Their cap hits would be half of the yearly AAV with a void year. Johnson would be looking at a 1.8M-2.5M cap hit on a 5M-6M per year AAV. Adebo’s 1st year cap hit can be structured to around 4.5M like the 1st year cap hit of Lattimore’s extension in ‘21. Young’s year 1 cap hit could be around 3.5M again like his 2024 cap hit, or a little higher. All key re-signings’ potential cap hits can fit within the immediate 14.6M cap space that the Saints could create without restructuring Carr.

I think the re-signings who should be prioritized the most based on depth would be Harris, Young, and MVS. If the Saints decide to be cap strict at CB and TE based on the potential high markets of Adebo and Johnson, they may replace them with top talent on rookie deals at the top of the draft. The cap that would’ve been used on Adebo could go towards signing two of a younger vet QB, OL and DL. It’s possible to re-sign key players and add other FAs in March without needing Carr’s restructure.

I would like to see your breakdown on who gets restructured , released and resigned with DC being a post 6/1 cut and how we sign the draft class along with not only our own FAs but any other FAs. If you could PM me that so as not to make the board put up with us going back and forth. I'd really like to see how you would make that happen. Thanks

 

[Merl]

True, but that's also Loomis kicking the salary cap impact down the road like he usually does. Most of the people wanting to cut Carr are also very much against Loomis continuing to do business this way.

They want it to be daytime and nighttime at the same time.

Almost every player contract in the NFL is structured like that. They almost always have a low first year salary with a signing bonus. Even the rookie contracts are built that way.

 

[Judge_Smails]

Yup you just validated my point. The Carr hate is personal with some of you. It's not about what's best for the team as long as you get your hated player gone . SMH

It’s not hate. It’s that there are 20 QBs as good or better than Carr and most of those are younger and have much more team friendly contracts. He’s the opposite of the only guy that can get things done.

I’ll support Kellen Moore next year, regardless of his decision on Carr, but from my clinical perspective it’s hard to imagine that he wants to hitch his brand new wagon to an old expensive mule with a bad attitude and a history of not getting the job done.

 

[lilvipa221]

Carr does not have to agree to a restructure. It's built into every player's contract. He has to agree to a pay cut and an extension




DC is included in those injuries. We won 0 games without him as QB.
If you think that CKM is not going to be looking for the future QB just because DC is on the roster , you're mistaken.

Again to cut DC 6/1 means that you have to restructure almost everyone on the team, including DD, Mathieu, Cam and maybe Hill. AND we will not have $ coming back from DC's 6/1 cut till 6/2 long after FA has pretty much ended. We will not be able to sign ANYONE even our own FAs. So Adebo and JJ and Harris and MVS will walk.

You want to spend $ on Fields or Jones , Guess what now you're eating into that $ you got back from cutting DC and that's if , a BIG if they are available after 6/1

If you go with just Rattler and Haener and a scrub, fans are going to be quite testy come 12 games in and we are 2-10 and not a good environment for a young 1st time HC to be put in

Yeah and if we keep Carr just to win 7 or 8 games then you are out of the running for a top QB in the draft. Sticky situation to be in and I do not trust the front office to make the right decisions here. Especially with a first time head coach.