Saints could get to $14.61 million under the cap without restructuring Derek Carr, after Saints salary cap potentially increases by $5M (22 Viewers)

[St. Geezy]

Yeah and if we keep Carr just to win 7 or 8 games then you are out of the running for a top QB in the draft. Sticky situation to be in and I do not trust the front office to make the right decisions here. Especially with a first time head coach.

Are you saying that Rattler + limited cap flexibility for a year likely = tanking?

 

[St. Widge]

True, but that's also Loomis kicking the salary cap impact down the road like he usually does. Most of the people wanting to cut Carr are also very much against Loomis continuing to do business this way.

They want it to be daytime and nighttime at the same time.

I'm fine with Loomis doing business the way he did it when we had Brees, but I'm less fine with him doing it once Brees and Payton left. Especially doing it to pay a mediocre QB $40 million per year (the Carr contract was fine the first two years but it's way too high for the last two years). In addition, he changed the way he did things recently by getting significantly more aggressive with the void years and giving contracts with void years to older players that are in decline. That was mostly done to be able to sign Carr.

But, if he wants to go back to what he did in the Brees/Payton days after we get a franchise QB, I'm fine doing that to keep a contending team together, but it should end when that franchise QB retires so you can reset the cap and make another run with a franchise QB.

 

[lilvipa221]

Are you saying that Rattler + limited cap flexibility for a year likely = tanking?

Yes, we would win 2 or 3 games and take the short term pain for the long term gain. Keeping Carr just delays us from getting the ultimate goal with limited upside. That super bowl we won is 16 years old now. Its about time to start finding a way to get more draft picks, hit on them and get a quarterback with pro bowl potential in here that can keep us in super bowl contention consistently.

It may take a few attempts too but we need to put ourselves in position to draft an elite QB prospect early in the draft whether its now or later. I prefer now.

We have taken the lets just tread water thing for 3 years now. Time to abandon mission.

 

[kcirdor]

The losing mentality angle = bullshirt.

 

[StudioSaint]

The losing mentality angle = bullshirt.

Yeah. Winning and losing are both infectious which is why it's always best to build a team to win.

 

[StudioSaint]

We have taken the lets just tread water thing for 3 years now. Time to abandon mission.

There isn't a single person in the Saints organization that has thought "let's just tread water." That's just repeater and fan speak. No one inside the organization thinks like that.

 

[DSnfla]

It’s not hate. It’s that there are 20 QBs as good or better than Carr and most of those are younger and have much more team friendly contracts. He’s the opposite of the only guy that can get things done.

I’ll support Kellen Moore next year, regardless of his decision on Carr, but from my clinical perspective it’s hard to imagine that he wants to hitch his brand new wagon to an old expensive mule with a bad attitude and a history of not getting the job done.

See that's where your Carr hate comes into play. There are not 20 QBs as good or better than him . He was 13th in QBR last yr and that was playing behind a decimated OL and 2nd and 3rd string WRs.
I'll be the 1st to say that Carr is not elite or even a top 6 QB , but with some support and good coaching he can get us to the playoffs.

I'll also be the 1st to say that he is not the future, even if it's just for the fact that he'll be 34 this yr

Right now it is undeniable that Carr gives us the best chance to win the NFCS in 25

 

[DSnfla]

Yeah and if we keep Carr just to win 7 or 8 games then you are out of the running for a top QB in the draft. Sticky situation to be in and I do not trust the front office to make the right decisions here. Especially with a first time head coach.

Why on earth does anyone think that the Saints FO are sitting around saying " How can we win 7-8 games this yr?"
They are thinking " How can we win the NFCS" Now I'm sure they are also saying how can we do that and not mortgage the future within reason?