Saint's interested in Pacman? (1 Viewer)

[MommySaint]

I like your idea... If we're really interested in him we should trade our 6th or 5th for him and have a behavioral clause in his contract.

IF the Saints were to do this I would make it a conditional pick a 6th and IF (and this is a stretch based on his history) he stays out of trouble and preforms well it goes to a 5th

 

[St. PJ]

New Orleans for Pacman would be like sticking a fat kid in a candy store with a fist full of cash. I don't like it. Haynesworth is worthy of our best effort to bring him here.

 

[LSSpam]

It's also possible we're just trying to beef Tennessee's negotiating position by "expressing interest", in otherwords, we're giving them the ability to jack up the price on the Cowboys.

 

[CargoJon]

It's also possible we're just trying to beef Tennessee's negotiating position by "expressing interest", in otherwords, we're giving them the ability to jack up the price on the Cowboys.

Anything we can do to make ol' plastic face part with more of his money is fine by me.

 

[LSSpam]

The problem I have with Haynesworth are not his off-the-field problems (if he even has any, i'm not aware of any). He's had I think 2 spitting incidents in practice, was nearly party to a fight between Vince Young and a defensive player over violent hits in a non-contact drill ("We need more thugs on defense" being Haynesworth's quote), of course the Gurode face-stomping incident, etc.

He's just too unstable. The risk of him blowing his top and alienating himself to the team or doing something in a game that will probably result in a lengthier suspension since it won't be his first "incident" is pretty high.

He says he's improved, I think he had to do a variety of "anger management" work as part of his first suspensions, and maybe he has. I mean people mellow out as they get older. That's an evaluation the staff would have to make.

But considering you'd have to trade a high draft pick and hand him a huge contract . . . just strikes me as risky.


Pacman is almost the inverse. We can probably get him for cheap draft pick-wise and contractually, just because he's got no negotiating leverage at all. But the bad publicity and risk of him doing something that gets him kicked from football permanently strikes me as significantly higher.

 

[st dude]

We all know some of Pacmans history. What I am not clear about is what his team mates thought about him. Despite his off the field troubles was Pacman a guy who came to workouts, made all of his practices and played hard every game? Or was he a guy who in addition to his off field stuff was a distraction to his team in the locker room? In other words, was he the dreaded overused metaphor, a locker room cancer?

If not, I would consider him if the rigth deal was made. The right deal would include contract clauses that allowed you to dump him if he gets in trouble or gets suspended. Also I think his signing bonus would have to be paid over time.

He is going to have some of that kind of stuff in his contract no matter who signs him. I thought Randy Moss was a bad signing for the Patriots and that Terrel owens was a bad signing for the Cowboys. Moss turned out to be a steal. Owens was the distraction we all thought he would be in his first year with the Cowboys but had a peculiarly quiet and productive season last year.

So its hard to say. Pacman is so talented a cornerback I might consider him for the right deal. I would not have written that last year because I was so sure Moss and Owens negatives outweighed their positives. I would have to say I was wrong about that, at least for last year. Who knows what a distraction Moss might have been had the team started out slow and him not get as many balls thrown his way as he wanted.

 

[Pancakes]

Well, I dont really see the problem with him coming to NOLA, I mean, its not like there are many strip clubs in the quarter......... right?

 

[St. PJ]

The biggest point on Pacman, even if you give character a free pass and bet he won't make any more mistakes, is that he is still suspended, and that in the eyes of Goodell, has not made any change or shown any contrite remorse for any of his actions, and is very well going to be suspended this year as well.

 

[MommySaint]

We all know some of Pacmans history. What I am not clear about is what his team mates thought about him. Despite his off the field troubles was Pacman a guy who came to workouts, made all of his practices and played hard every game? Or was he a guy who in addition to his off field stuff was a distraction to his team in the locker room? In other words, was he the dreaded overused metaphor, a locker room cancer?

If not, I would consider him if the rigth deal was made. The right deal would include contract clauses that allowed you to dump him if he gets in trouble or gets suspended. Also I think his signing bonus would have to be paid over time.

He is going to have some of that kind of stuff in his contract no matter who signs him. I thought Randy Moss was a bad signing for the Patriots and that Terrel owens was a bad signing for the Cowboys. Moss turned out to be a steal. Owens was the distraction we all thought he would be in his first year with the Cowboys but had a peculiarly quiet and productive season last year.

So its hard to say. Pacman is so talented a cornerback I might consider him for the right deal. I would not have written that last year because I was so sure Moss and Owens negatives outweighed their positives. I would have to say I was wrong about that, at least for last year. Who knows what a distraction Moss might have been had the team started out slow and him not get as many balls thrown his way as he wanted.

St.Dude everything I ever read in the Tennesean and heard from Titans tlk was he was a HARD working individual with an incredible work ethic. He would get there about an hour before anyone including coaches to do stretching and cardio and what not> He would also help other defensive teammates break down film and show them both his and thier areas to improve on. At one point Fisher had even been quoted after he was suspended saying " I have confidence that if Pacman puts in even half the effort to make the necassary changes off the field as he does with his work ethic he will have his suspension lifted at its earliest possibility"

 

[St. PJ]

We all know some of Pacmans history. What I am not clear about is what his team mates thought about him. Despite his off the field troubles was Pacman a guy who came to workouts, made all of his practices and played hard every game? Or was he a guy who in addition to his off field stuff was a distraction to his team in the locker room? In other words, was he the dreaded overused metaphor, a locker room cancer?

If not, I would consider him if the rigth deal was made. The right deal would include contract clauses that allowed you to dump him if he gets in trouble or gets suspended. Also I think his signing bonus would have to be paid over time.

He is going to have some of that kind of stuff in his contract no matter who signs him. I thought Randy Moss was a bad signing for the Patriots and that Terrel owens was a bad signing for the Cowboys. Moss turned out to be a steal. Owens was the distraction we all thought he would be in his first year with the Cowboys but had a peculiarly quiet and productive season last year.

So its hard to say. Pacman is so talented a cornerback I might consider him for the right deal. I would not have written that last year because I was so sure Moss and Owens negatives outweighed their positives. I would have to say I was wrong about that, at least for last year. Who knows what a distraction Moss might have been had the team started out slow and him not get as many balls thrown his way as he wanted.

It is refreshing to see someone who has an open mind who changes his thought process when a compelling argument or contrary evidence to a past thought is presented.

 

[v3kt0r]

Pacman is a good kid. He's just been in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Six times.....

 

[LSSpam]

At one point Fisher had even been quoted after he was suspended saying " I have confidence that if Pacman puts in even half the effort to make the necassary changes off the field as he does with his work ethic he will have his suspension lifted at its earliest possibility"

Right. But of course, he didn't. Which is the core problem

 

[Saint Droopy]

OK I'm not gonna judge anybody... the only judge is MAN UPSTAIRS himself.

Pacman made some foolish decisions, and I'm still waiting for him to be found guilty in anything he has been accused of doing (besides not using common sense).

I wonder if Pacman has "turned the corner"... there's no doubting his skills as a football player. he just needs to be around a team full of character guys that will show him the right way to go by doing things.

You all can judge him all you want... it seems 95% of the folks here has made up their minds that the guy is trouble. I think its more the company he keeps rather than the things HE does.

If he can "right the ship", and come to New Orleans with a clean slate and show everybody... including Roger "The Hammer" Goodell that he's a new man... then I'm all for it.

 

[Harrisjgriffin]

WOW! Imagine the trouble Pacman could get in to on Bourbon St.

 

[Pancakes]

I also dont really see Goodell havent any thought of reinstating Pacman. In fact, i believe that if he can find a way to legally make it happen, i wouldnt be suprised if Pacman never plays another snap in the NFL.

The fact that he went to a strip club the night b4 he met with the comish, then put a self curfue (sp) that he couldnt follow, and most recently being in a strip club and punchig that woman in the face. I know that charges werent filed or dropped in the last instance, but it just shows his unwillingness to change, or perhaps his stupidity. Either wy, not someone Goodell wants to be a part of HIS NFL