Saints met with top QB prospect Cam Ward ; Cam Ward: “It would be a dream of mine to play for the Saints if I get a chance someday” (29 Viewers)

[TenTwo]

Swap firsts, trade Carr to TN, and give them whatever else they need to make the trade work

 

[Rexman100]

I do wonder what Moore's long term plan is. You are certainly right that Carr needs a strong running game to set up the play action passes, but I do wonder what Moore wants to do long term? My suspicion is that he wants an offense closer to what Sean Payton does than the Shanhan/Kubiak system because that is what he ran in the past, but it's hard to know how much his time in Philly changed what he wants to do long term.

Yea, KM's MO is unlocking the players super power. I think we need to make a list of the player and their super power. Feel free to modify the below list. But what im seeing below is a balanced PA offense :

1) DC4 - experienced great pocket passer (non mobile) w/ a little ability to run a naked bootleg
2) Kamara / Clyde EE - great receiving RB's that can needs space (perfect for the screen play and less up the middle grinder)
3) Olave - great route running WR that depends on precision passes (can also run the WR screen)
4) Shaheed - strictly deep threat take the top off the defense type (can also run the WR screen)
5) Taysom - versatile (run / pass / block / catch) (Not elite at any, but good at everything)
6) Kendre M - between the tackles RB w/ decent reveiving ability (deceptive speed)
7) Juwan Johnson specialist receiving TE w/ an ability to block
8) Foster M solid all around TE (not elite in any trait but a good blocker / receiver / route runner / runner after the catch
9) Pettis / Austin - good route running WR's that depend on precision passes (can also run the WR screen)

 

[St. Widge]

Yea, KM's MO is unlocking the players super power. I think we need to make a list of the player and their super power. Feel free to modify the below list. But what im seeing below is a balanced PA offense :

1) DC4 - experienced great pocket passer (non mobile) w/ a little ability to run a naked bootleg
2) Kamara / Clyde EE - great receiving RB's that can needs space (perfect for the screen play and less up the middle grinder)
3) Olave - great route running WR that depends on precision passes (can also run the WR screen)
4) Shaheed - strictly deep threat take the top off the defense type (can also run the WR screen)
5) Taysom - versatile (run / pass / block / catch) (Not elite at any, but good at everything)
6) Kendre M - between the tackles RB w/ decent reveiving ability (deceptive speed)
7) Juwan Johnson specialist receiving TE w/ an ability to block
8) Foster M solid all around TE (not elite in any trait but a good blocker / receiver / route runner / runner after the catch
9) Pettis / Austin - good route running WR's that depend on precision passes (can also run the WR screen)

I think most of that is right. But I don't really see Carr as a pocket passer or a bootleg guy. He's okay at both, but his super power is the play action passing game and particularly the deep ball off of it. If you sit him in the pocket as a drop back passer all too often he ends up holding the ball too long and then throwing it away because he lacks the pocket mobility to buy time for off schedule throws. I think he's best used when you limit his options, limit the time he has to think, and just make him throw quick off of play action. That's what KK did with him in the first two games and it worked well. It seemed to not work well when he tried to get Carr to sit in the pocket.

Which is going to be interesting because Moore likes to vary tempo on offense and Carr seems a difficult fit for that kind of offense. That said, Moore is the type that will adjust to the players he has so we will likely see less tempo than Moore would like.

 

[Rexman100]

I don't really think he's boom or bust. I think he actually has a high floor as a mid-level game manager QB much like Purdy. The one thing that could hurt that is if he can't learn to step up in the pocket and get the ball out before sacks, but both those things seem very coachable.

He hasn't shown to be a guy that can take over games which is why it's hard to see him as a high first round pick because his ceiling doesn't appear to be very high, but I also think he doesn't have a lot of risk. He really seems like a 2nd round guy, but QBs often get taken a round earlier than they should.

BTW, Kiper released a mock draft today in which he has us taking Dart at #9 (Ward and Sanders go top 3). I would not be happy with Dart at #9.

OK, ill concede that he will never bust. My bad. I will say that he's fearless, and fearless people dont bust. He doesnt shy away from contact at all, even when he could and still mae the play. Anyone with Shadeur low lights? All im seeing is that with given time he'll destoy you. However, regardless, of what I think he is, im thinking that Mickey and Co. feel they have a future w/ Rattler. I think Rattler can also make the plays in this below video, but its clear that Shadeur is more athletic and that matters in todays game.

 

[St. Widge]

OK, ill concede that he will never bust. My bad. I will say that he's fearless, and fearless people dont bust. He doesnt shy away from contact at all, even when he could and still mae the play. Anyone with Shadeur low lights? All im seeing is that with given time he'll destoy you. However, regardless, of what I think he is, im thinking that Mickey and Co. feel they have a future w/ Rattler. I think Rattler can also make the plays in this below video, but its clear that Shadeur is more athletic and that matters in todays game.

I don't think he has a lot of lowlights. He's a steady player that doesn't make many mistakes and takes the plays that are there. The problem is that he doesn't seem to create any plays that weren't there to begin with and he doesn't take over games.

And, to be fair while I don't think Sanders will bust, all QBs have some potential to just not make it. But, I do think Sanders is very likely to at worst be a Purdy type. I just don't think he's ever going to be one of the top 7 or so QBs. He's likely to hover in the 15 range depending on the team built around him.

But I do agree with Booker that I wonder if he hasn't reached his ceiling since he likely got the best coaching out there to get to this point. And, his apparent cockiness concerns me. If he plays well the guys on a team will feed off of it, but if it goes bad those guys could turn on him. That being said, I don't know the guy so the attitude stuff could just be false rumors or teams spreading stuff in hopes that he will drop to them.

 

[solarbear88]

You have to also consider that KM could finally be the coach that unlocks Dc4.

DC4 is 34 years old. He kind of is what he is a better than average NFL QB.

 

[sammymvpknight]

I’m a huge fan. He’s the only QB from this class that has the potential to be elite. I hate the Canes and repeated rooted against him but at some point I just gave up. The guy is a stud and a gamer.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

AFR take on it, with a good example of the Panthers going from 9 to 1 couple of years ago for Young.

 

[Booker]

AFR take on it, with a good example of the Panthers going from 9 to 1 couple of years ago for Young.

They gave up two first round picks, two second round picks, and a starting wide receiver. That would be a lot to give up for a team that needs young talent across the board.

 

[SweetT]

They met Ewers today also

Turns out he had a torn oblique last year and played through it.

Ewwwww……Ers

 

[Ghost]

Swap firsts, trade Carr to TN, and give them whatever else they need to make the trade work

Some chipotle gift cards?

 

[IlovemySaints]

no thanks, there's no franchise QB in this draft

How do people come to absolute conclusions like this without seeing these guys play ? (In the NFL)

 

[IlovemySaints]

You have to also consider that KM could finally be the coach that unlocks Dc4.

12 years he need to unlock his self

 

[Tulsa Saint]

AFR take on it, with a good example of the Panthers going from 9 to 1 couple of years ago for Young.

Not a huge MM fan but he made some pretty good points in this video.

 

[Rexman100]

12 years he need to unlock his self

Matt Stafford was locked along time too