Saints Minicamp Updates Day 2 / 6-12-24 (1 Viewer)

[guidomerkinsrules]

Not sure you can keep 2 Kickers unless one of them can also punt. Maybe whoever wins the Punter job can handle kickoffs if Grupe beats out Smyth so we can get a bigger guy on the field to tackle on kickoffs?

Just give me this until August then you can use your boring old logic

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Something to debate later on. Do you want a quarterback to stay in the pocket and improvise or someone to just scramble and get whatever yardage possible?

At this point I want Klint’s system to be primary focus- that means staying home and reading field

In 3 years when he’s incorporated Rattler’s skill set, then we can let the kid cook

 

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Jimmy Graham 'not sure yet' on retirement, to make decision based on Saints

This is interesting.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

 

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[Deuuuuce]

Something to debate later on. Do you want a quarterback to stay in the pocket and improvise or someone to just scramble and get whatever yardage possible?

I think scrambling quarterbacks are more of a headache for defenses. A good scrambler buys more time even if he’s not in the pocket and that allows receivers to get open. Not much you can do to defend it. It’s sort of pick your poison once the QB escapes the pressure. Either you come up, try to tackle him and leave your assignment, or you give the QB an opening to run and pick up yards that way.
Scramblers seem to be better on third down because they can use their legs to pick it up if the initial play is not there.

I like pocket QBs too, but you can teach that stuff. The improv, getting outside the pocket and throwing on the run are just skills not many people have.

 

[St. Widge]

Whats the deal with the international kickers? Do they only not count against the 90 man roster, but count against the 53?

That's a good question. I'm not sure I know the answer, but I think you may be correct. I guess the issue would be choosing who is active on game day.

 

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I think scrambling quarterbacks are more of a headache for defenses. A good scrambler buys more time even if he’s not in the pocket and that allows receivers to get open. Not much you can do to defend it. It’s sort of pick your poison once the QB escapes the pressure. Either you come up, try to tackle him and leave your assignment, or you give the QB an opening to run and pick up yards that way.
Scramblers seem to be better on third down because they can use their legs to pick it up if the initial play is not there.

I like pocket QBs too, but you can teach that stuff. The improv, getting outside the pocket and throwing on the run are just skills not many people have.

Haener is a good runner too. But something to watch going forward. I always feel long term wise is to have a good quarterback that can read and able to check down. A guy who first instinct is to run doesn't last long in the NFL. Risk of injury goes up and defenses in the NFL are better prepared than in college.

 

[Deuuuuce]

A guy who first instinct is to run doesn't last long in the NFL. Risk of injury goes up and defenses in the NFL are better prepared than in college.

Mahomes and Allen have been doing it well for quite a while. Purdy is another guy that scrambles a lot but does it to make plays with his arm down the field. Hurts is doing it. Lamar. Just seems like the scrambling quarterback is taking over the league.

I like Carr but he was not great on third down or in the red zone last year because once the pocket collapsed he couldn’t do anything.

 

[Patman255]

You want a guy who can run to get you an extra couple first downs a game. But you don't want a guy where the offense requires him to run 6 - 8 times per game. That's not a good recipe for longevity. Maybe in the playoffs when it's all on the line you'd be ok with a 5 or 6 rush state line, but you can't do that and make it through the season any more and the QB position is just too important to risk it.

Learn to check it down. A couple times per game take the run instead of the check down that's covered and isn't going to make it to the sticks. No more than that.

 

[Deuuuuce]

You want a guy who can run to get you an extra couple first downs a game. But you don't want a guy where the offense requires him to run 6 - 8 times per game. That's not a good recipe for longevity. Maybe in the playoffs when it's all on the line you'd be ok with a 5 or 6 rush state line, but you can't do that and make it through the season any more and the QB position is just too important to risk it.

Learn to check it down. A couple times per game take the run instead of the check down that's covered and isn't going to make it to the sticks. No more than that.

A scrambling qb can still check it down if he wants to. I’ve seen a lot of times where the db or linebacker comes up to stop them and they just throw it over their head to a receiver.

 

[Artifactual]

HAVE to keep 2 kickers - don’t need Grupe anywhere near the new kickoffs

Not sure you can keep 2 Kickers unless one of them can also punt. Maybe whoever wins the Punter job can handle kickoffs if Grupe beats out Smyth so we can get a bigger guy on the field to tackle on kickoffs?

What's the deal with the international kickers? Do they only not count against the 90-man roster, but count against the 53?

Barring injury the kicker and punter positions are set without having position battles ahead. Grupe will be the kicker and Hedley will be the punter.

The Saints will benefit from the (IPPP) International Player Pathway Program as they will have a roster exemption for Smyth. They have options with him.

Coach Rizzi explained the importance of the kicker being able to place the ball into the Landing Zone in different areas that they may call upon him to do. With the noise about KC using a safety who has kicking experience instead of Butler, Rizzi debunked that idea for the Saints in his interview yesterday stating that the risk was not worth the reward. Kicking the ball out of bounds or short of the 20-yard line will result in the ball being placed at the 40-yard line. That would be a big time fail.

Keep in mind that the kickoff must travel a minimum distance of 45 yards (from the 35 to the 20) and the ideal distance would be 60 yards (to the 5-yard line) but no further. Also, the kicker is not allowed to cross midfield (the 50-yard line) on kickoff in coverage.

Rizzi said that the Saints coaching staff has watched every XFL kickoff on film available to them and have spoken to several coaches that have experience with it. They intend to use several different matchups and will use preseason to hone down on what works best and will also study what the other 31 teams do in preseason. He also said that a number of core offensive and defensive players that have not played on special teams in the past would now be involved in the kickoff coverage and kickoff return game, citing AK41 as an example as one of the returners in certain situations.

 

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