Saints planned to interview Mike McCarthy; McCarthy didn’t garner enough interest from Saints and will take a year off (4 Viewers)

[Elvis]

I posted an article from gridiron saying McCarthy wanted his own coaches and Loomis wants to retain some of the current coaches. So his statement that the Head Coach would decide his staff is a LIE.

I think there may be a little bit of a grey area here and it doesn't make it a "lie". There are a handful of guys at the bottom of the staff that have been here for a long time. "Offensive assistants" and such. Guys that know how to get things done for the Saints in New Orleans. I'm not talking coordinators or positions coaches, just assistants. Guys with a long history with the team. Some of them are position coaches at the Senior Bowl as we speak. Jordan Traylor has been a scouting assistant, a defensive assistant and an offensive assistant and is the QB coach for the Senior Bowl. It would make sense that the team values the investment they've put into training some of these guys.

Now, if you told me they were insisting that the new head coach had to keep Joe Woods or Clancy Barone then I would agree Loomis was lying when he said the new coach would get to pick his guys.

 

[St. Widge]

Was all of the smoke about Mike McCarthy came exclusively from Mike McCarthy's camp or something? The Saints never even had any kind of interview at all with him. It's all very strange.

But if he truly did pull out of the running himself, then Moore better be the guy they hire. They can't have him decline the job as well. That would be ALL of the real candidates declining and only leave the Rooney Rule guys and Rizzi.

From what Underhill has been saying I think the Saints had interest in McCarthy, but he wasn't one of their top choices and McCarthy had more interest in the Saints than the Saints had in McCarthy.

If Moore turns it down I'd be disappointed, but I do find Kafka and Weaver as interesting options. They are certainly huge risks with a lot of unknowns, but that's really true of all the hires this year other than Vrabel and Carroll.

What would be incredibly disappointing is Rizzi especially if he plan is to bring in a bunch of old coaches.

 

[St. Widge]

I think there may be a little bit of a grey area here and it doesn't make it a "lie". There are a handful of guys at the bottom of the staff that have been here for a long time. "Offensive assistants" and such. Guys that know how to get things done for the Saints in New Orleans. I'm not talking coordinators or positions coaches, just assistants. Guys with a long history with the team. Some of them are position coaches at the Senior Bowl as we speak. Jordan Traylor has been a scouting assistant, a defensive assistant and an offensive assistant and is the QB coach for the Senior Bowl. It would make sense that the team values the investment they've put into training some of these guys.

Now, if you told me they were insisting that the new head coach had to keep Joe Woods or Clancy Barone then I would agree Loomis was lying when he said the new coach would get to pick his guys.

I doubt there is any coach where Loomis is saying keep this guy or you can't have the job. But, it wouldn't surprise me if he was strongly suggesting that guys like Young and Jahri Evans be kept on staff.

 

[2009ring]

Thank God, I was so underwhelmed by McCarthy I couldn't put it into words.

 

[Elvis]

I doubt there is any coach where Loomis is saying keep this guy or you can't have the job. But, it wouldn't surprise me if he was strongly suggesting that guys like Young and Jahri Evans be kept on staff.

Right, these are guys that have been under the radar all along as assistants. Not position coaches. I'm sure any HC would have to at least give them quick interviews before letting them go for some other assistants.

 

[St. Widge]

Right, these are guys that have been under the radar all along as assistants. Not position coaches. I'm sure any HC would have to at least give them quick interviews before letting them go for some other assistants.

Agreed. And former Saints player like Evans and Young are the kinds of guys Loomis would probably like to keep around as reminders of what the team was and should be again. Evans may be in the HoF soon based on what he did as a Saint. That's the kind of guy you want in your facility for the young guys to look up to.

 

[St. Geezy]

Agreed. And former Saints player like Evans and Young are the kinds of guys Loomis would probably like to keep around as reminders of what the team was and should be again. Evans may be in the HoF soon based on what he did as a Saint. That's the kind of guy you want in your facility for the young guys to look up to.

Yep. Evans actually did an interview yesterday at the Senior Bowl, and I don’t remember the exact wording, but he was basically like “I’m pretty sure I’m good” when asked about his job status.

Guys like him are the guys you keep around. As are names like Bryan Young, Kevin Petry, etc. Saints lifers, guys with ties to the team and/or to the area that you’ve also invested a lot of time in grooming.

 

[sfidc3]

I'm cool with Moore as the guy, it's a risk as it would be with any 1st time HC but I like him and think he could move us up out of this mess....

If Moore turns it down? Uh-oh....

 

[Winter]

If Moore truly is the guy, then I think we made out. Everyone looked at Ben Johnson yet Moore is the last OC standing in the playoffs. We were very split/hesitant on Glenn and these other teams taking guys that weren't even on our radar (Shottenheimer, Caroll, Coen) left us with some solid names to choose from. I would have had Moore and McCarthy as top 5ish choices to begin with so after its all said and done, I think we turned out alright.

@sfidc3 if Moore turns down the offer, oh yeah we are in serious ish

 

[RJS]

Sometimes reasons can be incredibly simple. I'm sure Mike McCarthy and his agent see him as having a similar resume to CSP who got $18mil/yr to coach the Broncos. The Saints might see McCarthy as a coach who wasn't retained and was "only" making $8mil/yr.

The back channel discussions might have never progressed past a gulf too wide in perceived appropriate compensation. It would make sense for McCarthy's agent to try to boost his client's worth over the next year.

 

[HouseCall]

I'll just say, at this juncture Kellen Moore is a inexperienced coach as far as head coaching is concerned.

But so are 4 of the 6 coaches already hired in this cycle.

Coen, Schottenheimer, Glenn and Johnson have never coached a single snap as HC.

I’ll give you that Moore is by far the least experienced as a coach than the other four and that does definitely give me some pause.

 

[WilliamBrees]

Whoever we hire I hope fans understand we're gonna probably suck this upcoming season. I'm not expecting contention at least until the 2026 season even in this terrible division. We have some old guys and salary on the roster that needs to be purged.

We're really looking at the bare team after all the injuries aren't we?

 

[St. Widge]

I'm cool with Moore as the guy, it's a risk as it would be with any 1st time HC but I like him and think he could move us up out of this mess....

If Moore turns it down? Uh-oh....

I can convince myself to think that Kafka and Weaver would be interesting hires with big upside but more likely to be a quick failure, but I just can't see any way that Rizzi would succeed as a HC.

And some of the stuff about Kaka's work at the Senior Bowl yesterday gives me some thought that maybe he is the kind of leader we need, but I'm still not sure about his X's and O's since he has never actually designed his own offense, installed it, and then called plays for his own offense. The Giants run Daboll's system and Kafka is apparently given very little but any input.

 

[sfidc3]

I can convince myself to think that Kafka and Weaver would be interesting hires with big upside but more likely to be a quick failure, but I just can't see any way that Rizzi would succeed as a HC.

And some of the stuff about Kaka's work at the Senior Bowl yesterday gives me some thought that maybe he is the kind of leader we need, but I'm still not sure about his X's and O's since he has never actually designed his own offense, installed it, and then called plays for his own offense. The Giants run Daboll's system and Kafka is apparently given very little but any input.

My cautious optimism would take quite a hit if they don't hire Moore is all I can say....

 

[WilliamBrees]

I'm not sure this was a good move by the Saints. I mean scheduling the interview with Moore so early and cause MM to pull out. The Eagles are definitely going to get in his head.

Also people read the forums, even outsiders and they have seen everything this fanbase has said amid the boatload of injuries. Sometimes critical fans can make a bad situation worse. And that even includes local media who sometimes act like the fans. We have a lot of nontraditional media reps that don't have qualifications making us look bad and other teams are eating it up. Before Shaheed went down we were in close losses with Carr. When Carr and Shaheed went down that's where it went south. But we can't not blame Juwane Johnson for some of this. He's not a good safety blanket in clutch situations. He got exposed after the injuries. But the media is looking at the graveyard and it's driving coaches to stay away.