Saints planned to interview Mike McCarthy; McCarthy didn’t garner enough interest from Saints and will take a year off (16 Viewers)

[Jd101]

The covid year certainly exposed the strategy as being too risky. That it was doubled down on by signing Carr to that contract shows that nothing was learned from it. Some will say that was the only way to sign him and I say then maybe we shouldn't have signed him.

Carr was a mistake.

 

[Jd101]

Good points imo, and if MM does indeed want total control he ain’t getting it here lol.

Yeah, if he couldn't get it from the place he's been working at day in day out, what makes him think he can get from a different place

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Is shottenheimer known as a leader of men ?

I have no clue.

 

[Elvis]

Carr was a mistake.

I'm not a Carr hater, but he should never have been signed to that contract. I would much rather have kept going with Dalton and Taysom for a year than give him that contract. It was the responsible thing to do.

 

[Mr. Coach Klein]

Before I say this I'm not defending the practice, but the cap went down 15.7 but they didn't get the increase they were expecting. the cap increased at least 10 million for 5 consecutive seasons. So if you projected your cap jumping from 198.2 to somewhere around 209-210 million to dropping to 182.5 million. The decrease is more like 25-26 million. That's a drastic change once you are already maxed out and already spent the money. They had to touch more contracts they in 2021 than they most likely wanted to which pushed more dead cap and they had to keep adjusting those salaries. That is one of the main reasons I didn't want Carr at that contract. They could of signed a cheap vet at a low salary and the cap would have been in better shape but they most likely would of spent it elsewhere.

Which is why we should've cleared cap after Brees instead of business as usual.

 

[DSnfla]

This suggests that Loomis defers all roster and personnel decisions to others and does not exert any influence - he just does what "the football people" want. That was likely very true during the Haslett regime when Loomis was earlier in his career, and during the Payton era, when Payton was by far the dominant mind in the organization. But in the post-Payton era we are getting a lot more of Loomis' take on things and his fingerprints are much more prominent. The DA hire and super defensiveness around his coaching tenure, his pushing Carr as a Top 10 QB - that's not someone who is just running the numbers to make the roster cap compliant - that's a guy defending the coach HE selected and the roster HE wants on the field. At least that's how it seems to me.

Hopefully with this next hire he returns to just being the cap nerd.

I don't see that at all. ML may not have given DA as much carte Blanche as he did SP but it's obvious my going out and getting Carr, the guy that DA wanted and making the deal with Philly to draft Olave and Penning that's what DA said he wanted

This effort to paint Loomis by some as a power-mad dictator when all reports are contrary to that seems a way of assigning blame. Yes ML is guilty of hiring DA and he's guilty of doing everything he could to get him what he wanted.

 

[StudioSaint]

If you pay more up front base salary or even guaranteed salary then by the time year 3 rolls around, all or most of the guarantees are gone and you can cut the player.

Everything has advantages and disadvantages. The advantage of what you propose is that you don't use up much future salary cap on players no longer under contract or you can more quickly move on from players without taking a big cap hit.

The disadvantage is that you use up more of the current cap on signing new players to bigger contracts, because you use up more of the current cap with each signing. That would mean signing less marquee free agents.

A lot of the same fans that complain about the cap management also start complaining about the Saints not signing enough big name free agents fast enough, the very minute free agency starts.

 

[St. Geezy]

Everything has advantages and disadvantages. The advantage of what you propose is that you don't use up much future salary cap on players no longer under contract or you can more quickly move on from players without taking a big cap hit.

The disadvantage is that you use up more of the current cap on signing new players to bigger contracts, because you use up more of the current cap with each signing. That would mean signing less marquee free agents.

A lot of the same fans that complain about the cap management also start complaining about the Saints not signing enough big name free agents fast enough, the very minute free agency starts.

Exactly. The problem just shifts from “future management issues” to now having to limit yourself in order to maintain the healthy cap illusion.

There’s no perfect style when you consistently bet on the wrong guys.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Just saw this….not sure how reputable this person is.

 

[Elvis]

Is shottenheimer known as a leader of men ?

I think we may be hung up on the "leader of men" thing a little too much because we had DA for too long and Dan Campbell exists. There have been a lot of great coaches that didn't fit the Dan Campbell blueprint. Being a leader just means that you have the smarts and capabilities to have people believe in you and follow you. Kellen Moore definitely has had that as a successful former college QB and having worked his way into coaching straight from being a player. There are a lot of parallels between him and Sean Payton, though obviously Payton had coached in the NFL longer and was a bit older.

As for Schottenheimer, he's been around the league for more than 25 years. If he couldn't lead a group of men, he'd have washed out long ago. Can he lead an entire teams, plus a staff? That remains to be seen. But I think that is the case for anyone that hasn't done it before.

 

[TenTwo]

We STILL sticking with this thread title?

 

[St. Geezy]

Just saw this….not sure how reputable this person is.

Josina is one of the queen bees of NFL reporting; she’s about as credible as they come.

The only thing to question, like with most reporters, are her source’s motives.

 

[Elvis]

Everything has advantages and disadvantages. The advantage of what you propose is that you don't use up much future salary cap on players no longer under contract or you can more quickly move on from players without taking a big cap hit.

The disadvantage is that you use up more of the current cap on signing new players to bigger contracts, because you use up more of the current cap with each signing. That would mean signing less marquee free agents.

A lot of the same fans that complain about the cap management also start complaining about the Saints not signing enough big name free agents fast enough, the very minute free agency starts.

I think a healthy dose of both can be fine. If we were starting the year $15m over the cap and could give reasonable extensions or bonuses to our best young or most promising players to get under the cap I wouldn't have an issue with it. But we're not doing that. We're adding void years to players that are in decline or not even worth their contracts to pay for past mistakes and misses.

As someone else pointed out earlier (sorry I don't remember who), we should only be using that strategy to keep our own good young players when we're close to competing, not to sign free agents while we're in the bottom half of the league.

 

[StudioSaint]

Exactly. The problem just shifts from “future management issues” to now having to limit yourself in order to maintain the healthy cap illusion.

There’s no perfect style when you consistently bet on the wrong guys.

I also think it's more of a problem of not getting the right players or not developing them, than it's a problem of salary cap management.

If Carr is the starter this year and plays at all pro level, then there aren't any issues with his contract at all. The reason people see it as a bad contract is because they feel stuck with a bad QB. If the Saints had any of the QB's that played this past weekend under that contract, very few people would think the Saints were stuck with a bad contract.

 

[No2DC]

Just saw this….not sure how reputable this person is.

If Mike walked away from a Jerry lowball, why wouldn't he have questions about us? As numerous posters have noted, his resume speaks for itself, and he's not a first-time HC. Mike may be the safe choice, but he is also the guy who can demand changes or control in the FO.