Saints to interview Aaron Glenn on Jan. 10th [Nick Underhill: Glenn probably gets an in person 2nd interview in a couple of weeks] (5 Viewers)

[greg8710]

Underhill looks like the guy we all picked on in hs ngl

 

[Hedon James]

You know what it was the Breer report. I do remember now that it was used as "exhibit A" when discussing whether or not Gayle had to go over Loomis' head/weren't on the same page. So, every one that said... "isn't this common knowledge?" in the Dennis Allen Confirms thread are referencing that discussion/report from Breer.

But let me tell you something.... as a Boss... if my boss tells me that I have to fire someone that I don't want to fire and they are my friend.... I am absolutely going to tell them, "I am sorry, man. I don't want to fire you, but I have to fire you."

Now that that is out of the way. I am the conductor of the Fire Loomis train. I am just saying that this whole Loomis talked to Allen and Allen outted him angle isn't really the angle. The angle always has and always will be Gayle went behind Loomis' back to get information from the team and fired Allen overruling Loomis' decision. As I am sure Loomis and Gayle weren't the only ones in the room making the decision. Loomis was out voted and he did his duty and said "We agreed we had to let you go now." All that is speculative, but that's more damning than "hey buddy, i don't want to do this, but I have to let you go."

I think that is very likely what happened, and likely exactly how it happened. But while ML did say publicly "we agreed...", I also think he went out of his way to let everyone know he wasn't onboard with the decision. To me, that felt like ML throwing his owner/organization under the bus.

Imagine the coach of your team discussing the draft the day after, and sounding something like this: "We had multiple needs we were hoping to fill, and 6 picks in the top 150, so I felt we were in a good position to pick some really good players to fill most or maybe even all those needs. But then we traded 4 of those picks to move up to pick Sanders/Ward. I'd have preferred the full contingent of picks, but Sanders/Ward stats compare to some of the best college QBs to ever play the game. So we're confident Sanders/Ward will be All-Pro, even without all those picks we gave up to get him."

Who thinks that coach will still be with the team at the next draft? Who thinks that coach may not be the coach for the first OTA? Who knows... But I think it's undeniable that SOMETHING is out of sync in the Saints org.

 

[Hedon James]

Youre telling me that you think Loomis picks the head coach, and manages the cap and thats it? He doesn’t pick the staff, the players or the draft picks. He doesn’t make the bone headed draft trades.

I don't think he does. But I do think he SIGNS OFF on those things, accepting responsibility for those decisions; resulting in credit or blame, as appropriate. I would fully expect a HC to have a 3-4 year horizon for HIS vision of the team. He wants to win as many games as possible in that window, to possibly extend his window. Maybe even "borrow against" the future window to prop up the current window.

I think it's the GMs job to give the HC what he wants/needs/asks for to be successful; but to balance that against what's best for the FRANCHISE. Most of the time, I imagine these outlooks overlay each other and work in unison. But every so often, I imagine these outlooks conflict with each other. When they do, I expect the GM to side with the FRANCHISE perspective, moreso than the HC perspective. But you need to get those outlooks re-aligned as quickly as possible.

I think it's analogous to hiking with a compass. You don't look at your compass, pick a direction and start walking, and not check periodically. Similarly, you don't stare at the compass in your hand the entire time. You look at the compass, pick a spot on the horizon (or the furthest field of view if the horizon isn't visible) and head that direction...upon arrival to that spot, pull your compass to recalibrate direction and pick the next spot on the horizon...repeat as necessary until the destination is reached (Superbowl?!).

 

[OldTimeGamer1966]

Do you not pay attention to what respected reporters on the Saints say? Or to what ML says himself ??? Loomis is pretty much hands off on coaching staff , players AND who we pick. He has said himself when it comes to the draft is a CONSENSUS and when there is a disagreement he's the tie breaker. It's not like the HC and the scouting dept can't come to an agreement and ML says I'm going to draft someone totally different. And you can bet when the HC and the scouting dept disagree ML will mostly side with the HC he did with SP.

As far as coaching staff goes he may sit in on interviews just to give his take but it's the HC that decides. As far as trades, The HC and personnel tell him what they need and he tries to make the best deal he can within what the parameters are

Loomis is NOT a football guy, he's not standing on some throne ( like you think he is) saying " I'm drafting this edge rusher because he has a better 3 cone time than the other one

This last paragraph is 100 percent true; Loomis is not a football guy. This is exactly why he should have never tried to pull that gas lighting stunt of saying we have to look beyond the results, he should have just shut up that was one of the worst cover excuses I hope I will ever hear for a team being bad and unable to win games.

 

[St. Geezy]

This last paragraph is 100 percent true; Loomis is not a football guy. This is exactly why he should have never tried to pull that gas lighting stunt of saying we have to look beyond the results, he should have just shut up that was one of the worst cover excuses I hope I will ever hear for a team being bad and unable to win games.

For the life of me I don’t understand how someone could still be labeled “Not a football guy” after being a NFL GM for more than 20 years, around football, around players, coaches and scouts, draft meetings, making draft picks, signing free agents, attending every game and virtually all practices, been involved in big game weeks, won a Super Bowl, analyzing stats and other data to put hard dollar values on players, etc.

I think he was “Not a football guy” when he first got the job, without question, but that label seems a bit silly to apply today unless the guy is just a complete unintelligent imbecile that hasn’t learned a thing in over two decades, and we know that isn’t the case.

I mean, if he isn’t a football guy, after all he’s been around, experienced, and done, what must one do to acquire such a label?

 

[longtime lurker]

 

[OldTimeGamer1966]

For the life of me I don’t understand how someone could still be labeled “Not a football guy” after being a NFL GM for more than 20 years, around football, around players, coaches and scouts, draft meetings, making draft picks, signing free agents, attending every game and virtually all practices, been involved in big game weeks, won a Super Bowl, analyzing stats and other data to put hard dollar values on players, etc.

I think he was “Not a football guy” when he first got the job, without question, but that label seems a bit silly to apply today unless the guy is just a complete unintelligent imbecile that hasn’t learned a thing in over two decades, and we know that isn’t the case.

I mean, if he isn’t a football guy, after all he’s been around, experienced, and done, what must one do to acquire such a label?

I can see where you can come to that conclusion, and it is a valid one. I think Loomis is a football guy that was once very clever, and his ideas were fresh. Loomis is still a "football guy" just not as effective and his old ways are wearing thin, and we should replace him as soon (finding a new GM isn't easy, unfortunately for us) as we can because he isn't as good of a "football guy" as he used to be.


My biggest problem with Loomis is that gas lighting he did with "we need to look past the results" he lost me there. I think the problem is that he has been here for 20 years, things have stagnated with Mickey.

 

[longtime lurker]

 

[NolaE21]

I think Glenn will end up in Jacksonville or the Jets.

 

[St. Widge]

I think Glenn will end up in Jacksonville or the Jets.

The Jets I would get because he played there a long time, but why Jacksonville?

 

[ATLien]

 

[Snakehead]

For the life of me I don’t understand how someone could still be labeled “Not a football guy” after being a NFL GM for more than 20 years, around football, around players, coaches and scouts, draft meetings, making draft picks, signing free agents, attending every game and virtually all practices, been involved in big game weeks, won a Super Bowl, analyzing stats and other data to put hard dollar values on players, etc.

I think he was “Not a football guy” when he first got the job, without question, but that label seems a bit silly to apply today unless the guy is just a complete unintelligent imbecile that hasn’t learned a thing in over two decades, and we know that isn’t the case.

I mean, if he isn’t a football guy, after all he’s been around, experienced, and done, what must one do to acquire such a label?

Yeah, he's been a football guy for a long time.

As a point of reference, ML took over football operations in 2000. Many of the players in the draft this year were born after 2000.

 

[RJS]

Yeah, he's been a football guy for a long time.

As a point of reference, ML took over football operations in 2000. Many of the players in the draft this year were born after 2000.

And he was with the Seahawks for 15 years before that.

 

[DSnfla]

This last paragraph is 100 percent true; Loomis is not a football guy. This is exactly why he should have never tried to pull that gas lighting stunt of saying we have to look beyond the results, he should have just shut up that was one of the worst cover excuses I hope I will ever hear for a team being bad and unable to win games.

What I got by ML's "looking beyond the results" comment was looking at WHY we have the results. The results were a 4 game losing streak. Looking beyond the results were the reasons why. Injuries. If anyone denies that injuries were the biggest contributors to our record even with DA as HC then they are just delusional