Saints to interview Aaron Glenn on Jan. 10th [Nick Underhill: Glenn probably gets an in person 2nd interview in a couple of weeks] (26 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

FTR… I hope they do NOT hire Glenn. He’s gonna fail

Ok back up your statement as to why.

 

[DSnfla]

I don't know where you get the idea that Loomis hires puppets. Both Payton and Allen were given a wide berth in both coaching staff decision-making and player personnel. Rizzi was the interim coach, so he wasn't put in a position of making personnel decisions. Had Rizzi been hired as the permanent coach, then Rizzi would have been given the reins. The puppet comment has no basis in fact.

Exactly, he's just blowing smoke, like he always does

 

[DSnfla]

Breer reported that Loomis wasnt ready to fire Allen and that it was Gayles decision. Nowhere did Allen or Loomis say at the time that Loomis told Allen he disagreed with the decision. Or did Loomis say he disagreed with it. It was a report. Not a verbal confirmation from 1 of the 2 people in the room. You did get 2 likes for that bit of misinformation though.

Its different hearing if from the guy who was fired, that he was told that Loomis didnt agree with it. Basically, "Gayle told me to do it, but I dont agree with it". I dont know how that doesnt make Gayle look somewhat bad here. A subordinate, or if we dont like that word for Loomis, an employee questioning her decision to the guy she was firing.

LOL it was reported by Underhill that he felt that Loomis was going to fire Allen at the end of the season. It was not THE firing of Allen that Loomis disagreed with it was the MID-SEASON firing he disagreed with, it's not a good look for the franchise . Loomis nor Tom Benson were fans of firing a HC mid-season. Loomis said himself that the firing of Allen was a CONSENSUS with Mrs B and himself

And now you are putting words in Loomis’ mouth when he did say something contrary to what you are saying
And guess what? Firing Allen mid season did no good , NONE , our defense got worse. Quit spreading RUMORS

 

[DSnfla]

We can agree that we werent any better after the DA firing than before, outside of a lot of yelling in the Atlanta game. But it needed to happen when it happened. Goes back to the poor roster Loomis has assembled and the cap and draft mistakes he has made. But I know you will refuse to accept this is largely Loomis' fault.

No potential coach in their right mind is going to respect an organization more or less for firing a guy on a 7 game losing streak, who was 18-25 with the Saints and 26-53 overall. It might even speak to a franchise who wont accept failure. At that point there was a lot of rumblings about players losing their minds with Allen. At least they seemed to wanted to play for Rizzi, despite the results not changing much.

I dont think it matters one single iota to a potential HC that we fired the last 1 mid season. None.

That's just not correct. HC candidates are looking for an organization that will give them EVERY chance to succeed. Firing a HC mid-season is not a good look , very much like firing a HC after 1 season

 

[DSnfla]

My only issue w/ Glenn is he’s bringing over DAs scheme, and while on one end AG has proven he’s willing to blitz more than Allen, his defense still is more bend don’t break while forcing turnovers.

That type of defense needs to be complimented w/ an offense that’s capable of scoring quickly and regularly so that he other team has to pass the ball more.

FWIW Glen also started incorporating early down blitzes, something I wish DA/Woods would have done this year. It would have helped in the run game instead of letting the RBs attack the LOS and then attempting to corral the runner after they’ve picked up speed.

So I guess he’s innovated that defense, so I kind of just quelled my own thoughts. I’d be curious about who his OC will be.

The way Ben Johnson gets #’s in the run game is a thing of beauty. Didn’t see that type of scheming and design in Kubiak’s system despite Detroit also running Wide Zone concepts.

Glenn is warming on me though.

Or an offense that runs the ball well and controls TOP , keeping the ball away from the offense and making them go on long drives and less amount of drives to score

 

[Hubig]

The biggest problem with a defensive headcoach is you need to nail your OC and then if that OC does well, he's always a candidate to be plucked in the offseason. This isn't an issue with an offensive headcoach though. Glenn, I think is a fantastic coach but I still want an offensive minded coach who has skins on the wall with QB development. Carr is probably here 1 more year unless a new coach doesn't want him and brings a system guy with him.

This next hire is going to speak a lot about what people who work in the league think about the Saints if they do have options with a better situation end up choosing the Saints.

 

[DaveXA]

That's just not correct. HC candidates are looking for an organization that will give them EVERY chance to succeed. Firing a HC mid-season is not a good look , very much like firing a HC after 1 season

Ordinarily that's true, but the team had lost 7 straight games with an embarrassingly bad loss at the end of it. Fans and players alike were at their wit's end and it was time. Gayle stepping in was the correct thing to do and there's no doubt the coaches interviewing for the position understand what went down and why it did, so I don't think it's going to affect their decision making.

I do think maybe some other issues might cause a candidate to turn down the job, but what happened with Allen isn't one of them.

 

[DSnfla]

Ordinarily that's true, but the team had lost 7 straight games with an embarrassingly bad loss at the end of it. Fans and players alike were at their wit's end and it was time. Gayle stepping in was the correct thing to do and there's no doubt the coaches interviewing for the position understand what went down and why it did, so I don't think it's going to affect their decision making.

I do think maybe some other issues might cause a candidate to turn down the job, but what happened with Allen isn't one of them.

I think the only real benefit firing DA mid season was that we got to get a look at Rizzi and Young as DL coach . And we got rid of Grantham. It never looks good as an organization to fire a HC mid-season and RARELY makes a difference

 

[44slayer]

I would say the HC and cap situation is his doing, but he doesn't pick the coaching staff or players. He's never done that while GM.

Youre telling me that you think Loomis picks the head coach, and manages the cap and thats it? He doesn’t pick the staff, the players or the draft picks. He doesn’t make the bone headed draft trades.

 

[DaveXA]

I think the only real benefit firing DA mid season was that we got to get a look at Rizzi and Young as DL coach . And we got rid of Grantham. It never looks good as an organization to fire a HC mid-season and RARELY makes a difference

I mean, as a rule I normally would agree, but this was the exception because of how much discontent there was. I would add that in addition to the benefits you mentioned, I believe Gayle pushing the issue spurred Loomis into getting his ducks in a row for interviews. It seems like they're doing their due diligence this time around.

 

[Saints 318]

we need that aggressive style of defense back,... Like in the GW days

 

[44slayer]

That's just not correct. HC candidates are looking for an organization that will give them EVERY chance to succeed. Firing a HC mid-season is not a good look , very much like firing a HC after 1 season

You can say that till youre blue in the face. And you will. But none of the candidates we interview will care at all, zero, that we fired a complete failure of a head coach mid season. Allen was given every chance, and then some, to succeed. It’s an absolute non factor in their decision.

 

[DaveXA]

Youre telling me that you think Loomis picks the head coach, and manages the cap and thats it?

In the context of building the team, yes. He does a lot more than that behind the scenes, sure.

He doesn’t pick the staff, the players or the draft picks.

Aside from the HC, correct. I'm sure he's involved with some other staffing decisions i.e. the scouting department, training, etc but I'm speaking more towards the coaching staff and player personnel.

He doesn’t make the bone headed draft trades.

The buck stops with him in regards to the terms of trades, compensation and such, but the HC is the primary driver of proposing trade ideas.

 

[44slayer]

In the context of building the team, yes. He does a lot more than that behind the scenes, sure.

Aside from the HC, correct. I'm sure he's involved with some other staffing decisions i.e. the scouting department, training, etc but I'm speaking more towards the coaching staff and player personnel.

The buck stops with him in regards to the terms of trades, compensation and such, but the HC is the primary driver of proposing trade ideas.

Ok then.

But, nah.


“Loomis was promoted to general manager in 2002 and earned the additional title of executive vice president later that year. The departments under his direction include coaching, player personnel and scouting, salary cap management, contract negotiations, athletic training, equipment, video and communications.”

 

[DSnfla]

Youre telling me that you think Loomis picks the head coach, and manages the cap and thats it? He doesn’t pick the staff, the players or the draft picks. He doesn’t make the bone headed draft trades.

Do you not pay attention to what respected reporters on the Saints say? Or to what ML says himself ??? Loomis is pretty much hands off on coaching staff , players AND who we pick. He has said himself when it comes to the draft is a CONSENSUS and when there is a disagreement he's the tie breaker. It's not like the HC and the scouting dept can't come to an agreement and ML says I'm going to draft someone totally different. And you can bet when the HC and the scouting dept disagree ML will mostly side with the HC he did with SP.

As far as coaching staff goes he may sit in on interviews just to give his take but it's the HC that decides. As far as trades, The HC and personnel tell him what they need and he tries to make the best deal he can within what the parameters are

Loomis is NOT a football guy, he's not standing on some throne ( like you think he is) saying " I'm drafting this edge rusher because he has a better 3 cone time than the other one