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[St. Widge]

Breer reported that Loomis wasnt ready to fire Allen and that it was Gayles decision. Nowhere did Allen or Loomis say at the time that Loomis told Allen he disagreed with the decision. Or did Loomis say he disagreed with it. It was a report. Not a verbal confirmation from 1 of the 2 people in the room. You did get 2 likes for that bit of misinformation though.

Its different hearing if from the guy who was fired, that he was told that Loomis didnt agree with it. Basically, "Gayle told me to do it, but I dont agree with it". I dont know how that doesnt make Gayle look somewhat bad here. A subordinate, or if we dont like that word for Loomis, an employee questioning her decision to the guy she was firing.

Loomis also said that while he didn't want to fire DA mid-season, he ultimately agreed with Gail's decision. Which honestly makes her seem stronger. But Underhill has reported several times that he believes that Loomis was going to fire DA at the end of the season.

I'm sure Loomis did soft peddle it when he fired DA. But, "wasn't really in favor of it" isn't really putting up much resistance to the firing. But, I think the point is that we all knew that Loomis didn't want to fire DA mid-season and that Gayle ultimately made him do it regardless if he ultimately agreed it was the right move or if he really wasn't in favor of it and told DA that he wasn't really in favor of it.

I mean, I wouldn't expect Loomis to go in there and tell DA You blow and you are fired. Now get your loser arse out of here.

 

[nakadish]

Breer reported that Loomis wasnt ready to fire Allen and that it was Gayles decision. Nowhere did Allen or Loomis say at the time that Loomis told Allen he disagreed with the decision. Or did Loomis say he disagreed with it. It was a report. Not a verbal confirmation from 1 of the 2 people in the room. You did get 2 likes for that bit of misinformation though.

Its different hearing if from the guy who was fired, that he was told that Loomis didnt agree with it. Basically, "Gayle told me to do it, but I dont agree with it". I dont know how that doesnt make Gayle look somewhat bad here. A subordinate, or if we dont like that word for Loomis, an employee questioning her decision to the guy she was firing.

I don't know why any of this matters. What changed after DA was fired? 2-7 vs 3-5. Nothing. So, was firing DA mid-season helpful? No. I don't think that Loomis was against firing DA. Just mid-season. Though I have to admit, I certainly wasn't disappointed when DA was fired, but I don't think that doing it mid-season was the right decision. Because if you want to get a new HC, firing a guy mid-season hurts you from finding a good one, potentially.

 

[44slayer]

I don't know why any of this matters. What changed after DA was fired? 2-7 vs 3-5. Nothing. So, was firing DA mid-season helpful? No. I don't think that Loomis was against firing DA. Just mid-season. Though I have to admit, I certainly wasn't disappointed when DA was fired, but I don't think that doing it mid-season was the right decision. Because if you want to get a new HC, firing a guy mid-season hurts you from finding a good one, potentially.

We can agree that we werent any better after the DA firing than before, outside of a lot of yelling in the Atlanta game. But it needed to happen when it happened. Goes back to the poor roster Loomis has assembled and the cap and draft mistakes he has made. But I know you will refuse to accept this is largely Loomis' fault.

No potential coach in their right mind is going to respect an organization more or less for firing a guy on a 7 game losing streak, who was 18-25 with the Saints and 26-53 overall. It might even speak to a franchise who wont accept failure. At that point there was a lot of rumblings about players losing their minds with Allen. At least they seemed to wanted to play for Rizzi, despite the results not changing much.

I dont think it matters one single iota to a potential HC that we fired the last 1 mid season. None.

 

[St. Geezy]

I think we should also remember that this is a football environment, not some ultra corporate office type thing. A football GM is going to speak his mind when firing a head coach when he didn’t necessarily want to. To me, that sort of thing is to be expected.

If this was some insurance sales or computer software company and a middle manager had to fire an employee, I would expect different sort of behavior and for them to tow the company line so to speak.

But this is a NFL team office and locker room, not your typical workplace with typical workplace conversations and protocols, with a public facing millionaire firing a public facing millionaire…two men that I am sure have had many “unprofessional” type conversations over the years not typical in a common, every day uptight workplace.

 

[Hedon James]

So I have had a change of heart…. He sounds exactly like me scolding one of my boys for repeatedly making idiotic and completely avoidable bad decisions…

I am now on team Glenn…

F dem other coaches

i love his FIRE! he's not just mad about losing....he's mad about completions against his D. No "it's part of football", but just straight up unacceptable. or in AG parlance "that's freaking bullshirt"

Glad we're talking to him.

 

[Brandon13]

I don't know why any of this matters. What changed after DA was fired? 2-7 vs 3-5. Nothing. So, was firing DA mid-season helpful? No. I don't think that Loomis was against firing DA. Just mid-season. Though I have to admit, I certainly wasn't disappointed when DA was fired, but I don't think that doing it mid-season was the right decision. Because if you want to get a new HC, firing a guy mid-season hurts you from finding a good one, potentially.

DA was into his third underachieving season with us and was in the midst of a seven-game losing streak capped by that loss to the Panthers. I don't think his firing in that circumstance causes other coaches to look at this franchise differently.

DA was a cancer and really, REALLY needed to go. Were we better afterward? Nah, not really, but.. t'was a good thing to go ahead and get him out of the building.

 

[nakadish]

We can agree that we werent any better after the DA firing than before, outside of a lot of yelling in the Atlanta game. But it needed to happen when it happened. Goes back to the poor roster Loomis has assembled and the cap and draft mistakes he has made. But I know you will refuse to accept this is largely Loomis' fault.

No potential coach in their right mind is going to respect an organization more or less for firing a guy on a 7 game losing streak, who was 18-25 with the Saints and 26-53 overall. It might even speak to a franchise who wont accept failure. At that point there was a lot of rumblings about players losing their minds with Allen. At least they seemed to wanted to play for Rizzi, despite the results not changing much.

I dont think it matters one single iota to a potential HC that we fired the last 1 mid season. None.

I think it potentially does in once sense. For one, DA's record was only 2 games off Payton's record up to the point where injuries happened, and it looked like it was going to be a good season. That 7-game losing streak came about because of tons of injuries, mostly. I don't think it's a huge deciding factor, but if you had two offers that you liked about the same, would you go the team that fired its coach mid-season after lots of injuries, or the other one? Me? I'm going to the other one.

 

[Hubig]

Players smiled and looked more enthused the day after Allen's firing. There was players posting on social media saying how great it was.

Thats a huge indictment on DA.

 

[44slayer]

I think it potentially does in once sense. For one, DA's record was only 2 games off Payton's record up to the point where injuries happened, and it looked like it was going to be a good season. That 7-game losing streak came about because of tons of injuries, mostly. I don't think it's a huge deciding factor, but if you had two offers that you liked about the same, would you go the team that fired its coach mid-season after lots of injuries, or the other one? Me? I'm going to the other one.

None of the people we are interviewing, are going to factor that in. If you are 2-7, 18-25 in this division with the gift schedules he had, rarely if ever beat a team with a winning record and were 25-53 overall, you deserved to be fired. Zero of the candidates are going to factor that in.

There you go comparing DA and Payton, and thats where I check out. Payton went to a NFCCG in year 1 and won a SB in year 4. Allen wasnt winning a SB next year.

 

[St. Geezy]

Players smiled and looked more enthused the day after Allen's firing. There was players posting on social media saying how great it was.

Thats a huge indictment on DA.

Yep, most of the guys outside of MT kept it professional, but the guys that know what winning looks like knew they had a coaching problem.

They all spoke about it in roundabout ways, but never outright said it. Kamara especially.

 

[lapaz]

He has proven himself with his whole body of work not with just as the Lions defensive coordinator. He has had very productive secondaries, and he has done good work.

Glenn is not my pick at all for a head coach but if he is hired then he deserves the support. That's from FOX and then you get this from sportsnaut.com (never heard of them before) they rate the defense at number 5.

Detroit Lions defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn delivered one of the best-called games we’ve seen this season. Dealing with a severely short-handed pass rush, Glenn took the risk of challenging Sam Darnold with an everlasting blitz that put a lot of trust in the Lions’ cornerbacks in man coverage. Amik Robertson had the game of his life versus Justin Jefferson and linebacker Alex Anzalone’s first game back showcased his integral value to this unit’s success. The Terrion Arnold injury is a concern, but he indicated after the game he intends to play in the Divisional Round. While we are still a bit suspect of the Lions’ pass rush and how often this aggressive playing style can work, Glenn’s defensive clinic and the first-round bye restore a ton of confidence in the Lions defense moving forward.

So, there are two different ways of evaluating. Fox uses numbers and stats which is one way, but it doesn't tell everything. Sportsnaut.com uses more real-world examples when rating. Both ways work and both tell a story.https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-defense-rankings/

It seems like Sportsnaut used stats to support all of the other rankings, except for Detroit’s. They cited a great game in which Aaron took risks that worked, but little else to support their ranking. They even expressed concern that that style will not always work.

 

[nakadish]

None of the people we are interviewing, are going to factor that in. If you are 2-7, 18-25 in this division with the gift schedules he had, rarely if ever beat a team with a winning record and were 25-53 overall, you deserved to be fired. Zero of the candidates are going to factor that in.

There you go comparing DA and Payton, and thats where I check out. Payton went to a NFCCG in year 1 and won a SB in year 4. Allen wasnt winning a SB next year.

Agreed.

 

[St. Geezy]

None of the people we are interviewing, are going to factor that in. If you are 2-7, 18-25 in this division with the gift schedules he had, rarely if ever beat a team with a winning record and were 25-53 overall, you deserved to be fired. Zero of the candidates are going to factor that in.

There you go comparing DA and Payton, and thats where I check out. Payton went to a NFCCG in year 1 and won a SB in year 4. Allen wasnt winning a SB next year.

Yeah, the records were similar, but Payton’s record and field results just felt different.

You could always just tell the whole time that we had something special brewing, with an offensive mastermind that kept having us in the top 3 of offense rankings, and we just needed to be patient until we got the defense right.

Even the 2014-2016 lull felt that way…like we had a really good team but just needed to wait for the final piece or two for the chemistry to come together again.

You can tell when you’re watching a good coach who is just having team misfortunes versus a bad coach who he himself is making his team worse and not running a sound program.

 

[kcirdor]

Breer reported that Loomis wasnt ready to fire Allen and that it was Gayles decision. Nowhere did Allen or Loomis say at the time that Loomis told Allen he disagreed with the decision. Or did Loomis say he disagreed with it. It was a report. Not a verbal confirmation from 1 of the 2 people in the room. You did get 2 likes for that bit of misinformation though.

Its different hearing if from the guy who was fired, that he was told that Loomis didnt agree with it. Basically, "Gayle told me to do it, but I dont agree with it". I dont know how that doesnt make Gayle look somewhat bad here. A subordinate, or if we dont like that word for Loomis, an employee questioning her decision to the guy she was firing.

You know what it was the Breer report. I do remember now that it was used as "exhibit A" when discussing whether or not Gayle had to go over Loomis' head/weren't on the same page. So, every one that said... "isn't this common knowledge?" in the Dennis Allen Confirms thread are referencing that discussion/report from Breer.

But let me tell you something.... as a Boss... if my boss tells me that I have to fire someone that I don't want to fire and they are my friend.... I am absolutely going to tell them, "I am sorry, man. I don't want to fire you, but I have to fire you."

Now that that is out of the way. I am the conductor of the Fire Loomis train. I am just saying that this whole Loomis talked to Allen and Allen outted him angle isn't really the angle. The angle always has and always will be Gayle went behind Loomis' back to get information from the team and fired Allen overruling Loomis' decision. As I am sure Loomis and Gayle weren't the only ones in the room making the decision. Loomis was out voted and he did his duty and said "We agreed we had to let you go now." All that is speculative, but that's more damning than "hey buddy, i don't want to do this, but I have to let you go."

 

[St. Widge]

DA was into his third underachieving season with us and was in the midst of a seven-game losing streak capped by that loss to the Panthers. I don't think his firing in that circumstance causes other coaches to look at this franchise differently.

DA was a cancer and really, REALLY needed to go. Were we better afterward? Nah, not really, but.. t'was a good thing to go ahead and get him out of the building.

That's fair, but I do think DA could have lost enough to get us a top 5 pick.