Saints to interview Aaron Glenn on Jan. 10th [Nick Underhill: Glenn probably gets an in person 2nd interview in a couple of weeks] (2 Viewers)

[nakadish]

Brady was developed into a franchise QB over 2 decades ago.

Again, you're completely out of context of the conversation which was naming when a QB was developed into a franchise QB by a defensive head coach in the last decade. Not when an already franchise QB won a superbowl who was developed by a defensive head coach.

Two very different things.

There are certainly advantages in an offensive HC. But you need 3 things to win a SB, a QB, and a good OC and DC. Whether it's an offensive coach or defensive coach, if you have a good one, you have one of those covered. SB level coaches are hard to come by, offensive or defensive. What's important is finding a good coach. And I don't see how eliminating half of the options on the table is helpful.

 

[St. Widge]

Reading comprehension. When was he developed INTO a franchise QB by the defensive head coach? Over 20 years ago. Again, no one has done it in the last decade which was the original statement. The league as changed far to much to go back that far. No defensive head coach has done it in the last 10 years. Every single franchise QB in the NFL right now was developed under an offensive head coach.

You guys keep trying to change the statement I made. its not working, at all

Lol. You keep moving the goalposts every time someone proves you wrong and then you lash out claiming we lack reading comprehension and claim we are moving the goalposts.

It doesn't matter when he was developed into a franchise QB, first because you said it doesn't happen and second because he was still playing at a very high level and won a Super Bowl 3 years ago after having been developed by a defensive HC.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

And Lamar Jackson, under a ST coach.

A recent example would be MVP favorite Josh Allen.

Very good examples. 2. Out of how many? But they also never won superbowls either, which was part of the original criteria. I can concede to these two, because I think we'd all agree both are good enough with current coaches to win one, and still may this year.

 

[St. Widge]

Very good examples. 2. Out of how many? But they also never won superbowls either, which was part of the original criteria. I can concede to these two, because I think we'd all agree both are good enough with current coaches to win one, and still may this year.

So just two of the top 5 QBs in the NFL right now? Yeah, defensive or non-offensive HCs can't develop franchise QBs in the modern game.

 

[RJS]

Very good examples. 2. Out of how many? But they also never won superbowls either, which was part of the original criteria. I can concede to these two, because I think we'd all agree both are good enough with current coaches to win one, and still may this year.

I mean you can't say Tom Brady doesn't count when he's won 40% of the Super Bowls in your criteria.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

Lol. You keep moving the goalposts every time someone proves you wrong and then you lash out claiming we lack reading comprehension and claim we are moving the goalposts.

It doesn't matter when he was developed into a franchise QB, first because you said it doesn't happen and second because he was still playing at a very high level and won a Super Bowl 3 years ago after having been developed by a defensive HC.

That and qb development isn't static. Brady continued to be developed throughout his career.

 

[44slayer]

Like that's ever going to happen. You take the offer or go somewhere else. Mickey will have other options too.

Right, thats where we are. Ideally, Loomis letting his HC do his job is where we need to be. But I agree with you in reality. Even if Loomis is 100% convinced Glenn is the right guy, he is going to go another direction if he cant keep his thumb pressed on the power.

If Loomis continues his ego power trip, we will end up with another puppet - there is no better puppet than a special teams coach who went 3-5 as interim. As much as Id like for someone to be able to wrench some power from him, when you are judge, jury and executioner....with zero pressure on your position - you keep doing what youre doing.

 

[kcirdor]

Very good examples. 2. Out of how many? But they also never won superbowls either, which was part of the original criteria. I can concede to these two, because I think we'd all agree both are good enough with current coaches to win one, and still may this year.

 

[kcirdor]

If Loomis pulls off Glenn.. ill forgive some of his transgressions. I aint eating crow.

 

[SAINTSFAN]

If Loomis pulls off Glenn.. ill forgive some of his transgressions. I aint eating crow.

I get that Glenn is a hot commodity. However, is it simply because the Lions as a whole are good? His defenses have been below average and particularly bad against the pass. Scoring defense was bad until this season, so there was an improvement there.

 

[OldTimeGamer1966]

Glenn is the Def Coord for the Lions, and their defense is not ranked high, so how has Glenn proven himself? According to the link, they are 20th this year allowing 342 ypg. They were 19th in 2023, allowing 336 ypg, so they've slightly regressed.

2024 NFL Defense Rankings: Team Pass and Rush Stats | FOX Sports

Find out where every NFL team ranks on defense following the 2024 regular season.

www.foxsports.com

He has proven himself with his whole body of work not with just as the Lions defensive coordinator. He has had very productive secondaries, and he has done good work.

Glenn is not my pick at all for a head coach but if he is hired then he deserves the support. That's from FOX and then you get this from sportsnaut.com (never heard of them before) they rate the defense at number 5.

Detroit Lions defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn delivered one of the best-called games we’ve seen this season. Dealing with a severely short-handed pass rush, Glenn took the risk of challenging Sam Darnold with an everlasting blitz that put a lot of trust in the Lions’ cornerbacks in man coverage. Amik Robertson had the game of his life versus Justin Jefferson and linebacker Alex Anzalone’s first game back showcased his integral value to this unit’s success. The Terrion Arnold injury is a concern, but he indicated after the game he intends to play in the Divisional Round. While we are still a bit suspect of the Lions’ pass rush and how often this aggressive playing style can work, Glenn’s defensive clinic and the first-round bye restore a ton of confidence in the Lions defense moving forward.

So, there are two different ways of evaluating. Fox uses numbers and stats which is one way, but it doesn't tell everything. Sportsnaut.com uses more real-world examples when rating. Both ways work and both tell a story.https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-defense-rankings/

 

[DaveXA]

Right, thats where we are. Ideally, Loomis letting his HC do his job is where we need to be. But I agree with you in reality. Even if Loomis is 100% convinced Glenn is the right guy, he is going to go another direction if he cant keep his thumb pressed on the power.

If Loomis continues his ego power trip, we will end up with another puppet - there is no better puppet than a special teams coach who went 3-5 as interim. As much as Id like for someone to be able to wrench some power from him, when you are judge, jury and executioner....with zero pressure on your position - you keep doing what youre doing.

I don't know where you get the idea that Loomis hires puppets. Both Payton and Allen were given a wide berth in both coaching staff decision-making and player personnel. Rizzi was the interim coach, so he wasn't put in a position of making personnel decisions. Had Rizzi been hired as the permanent coach, then Rizzi would have been given the reins. The puppet comment has no basis in fact.

 

[Joodas Avila]

I don't know where you get the idea that Loomis hires puppets. Both Payton and Allen were given a wide berth in both coaching staff decision-making and player personnel. Rizzi was the interim coach, so he wasn't put in a position of making personnel decisions. Had Rizzi been hired as the permanent coach, then Rizzi would have been given the reins. The puppet comment has no basis in fact.

Exactly. Loomis literally assimilates & takes on the identity of the HC he hires. That’s why we all loved him w/Sean Payton, then lost faith in him w/DA. I dont agree w/the fans who are calling for his head. But i 100% believe he has to nail this HC hire to get back into the good graces of a portion the fanbase who currently hate him.

 

[DaveXA]

Exactly. Loomis literally assimilates & takes on the identity of the HC he hires. That’s why we all loved him w/Sean Payton, then lost faith in him w/DA. I dont agree w/the fans who are calling for his head. But i 100% believe he has to nail this HC hire to get back into the good graces of a portion the fanbase who currently hate him.

Yeah, I've definitely been critical of Loomis and have even wanted Gayle to promote him to another position and hire a new GM.

That said, it appears he's staying as GM for now. I'm feeling cautiously optimistic considering they're interviewing some legitimate candidates.

I'm not a fan of Aaron Glenn, but I gotta admit, seeing his overall body of work, interviews and recommendations from former Saints like Drew and Reggie has me warming up to him.

I'd still rather an offensive coach, but I think Glenn would be a solid hire. He and Vrabel are really the only 2 defensive coaches I'm interested in.