Saints to interview Aaron Glenn on Jan. 10th [Nick Underhill: Glenn probably gets an in person 2nd interview in a couple of weeks] (143 Viewers)

[SAINTSFAN]

If Loomis pulls off Glenn.. ill forgive some of his transgressions. I aint eating crow.

I get that Glenn is a hot commodity. However, is it simply because the Lions as a whole are good? His defenses have been below average and particularly bad against the pass. Scoring defense was bad until this season, so there was an improvement there.

 

[OldTimeGamer1966]

Glenn is the Def Coord for the Lions, and their defense is not ranked high, so how has Glenn proven himself? According to the link, they are 20th this year allowing 342 ypg. They were 19th in 2023, allowing 336 ypg, so they've slightly regressed.

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He has proven himself with his whole body of work not with just as the Lions defensive coordinator. He has had very productive secondaries, and he has done good work.

Glenn is not my pick at all for a head coach but if he is hired then he deserves the support. That's from FOX and then you get this from sportsnaut.com (never heard of them before) they rate the defense at number 5.

Detroit Lions defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn delivered one of the best-called games we’ve seen this season. Dealing with a severely short-handed pass rush, Glenn took the risk of challenging Sam Darnold with an everlasting blitz that put a lot of trust in the Lions’ cornerbacks in man coverage. Amik Robertson had the game of his life versus Justin Jefferson and linebacker Alex Anzalone’s first game back showcased his integral value to this unit’s success. The Terrion Arnold injury is a concern, but he indicated after the game he intends to play in the Divisional Round. While we are still a bit suspect of the Lions’ pass rush and how often this aggressive playing style can work, Glenn’s defensive clinic and the first-round bye restore a ton of confidence in the Lions defense moving forward.

So, there are two different ways of evaluating. Fox uses numbers and stats which is one way, but it doesn't tell everything. Sportsnaut.com uses more real-world examples when rating. Both ways work and both tell a story.https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-defense-rankings/

 

[DaveXA]

Right, thats where we are. Ideally, Loomis letting his HC do his job is where we need to be. But I agree with you in reality. Even if Loomis is 100% convinced Glenn is the right guy, he is going to go another direction if he cant keep his thumb pressed on the power.

If Loomis continues his ego power trip, we will end up with another puppet - there is no better puppet than a special teams coach who went 3-5 as interim. As much as Id like for someone to be able to wrench some power from him, when you are judge, jury and executioner....with zero pressure on your position - you keep doing what youre doing.

I don't know where you get the idea that Loomis hires puppets. Both Payton and Allen were given a wide berth in both coaching staff decision-making and player personnel. Rizzi was the interim coach, so he wasn't put in a position of making personnel decisions. Had Rizzi been hired as the permanent coach, then Rizzi would have been given the reins. The puppet comment has no basis in fact.

 

[Joodas Avila]

I don't know where you get the idea that Loomis hires puppets. Both Payton and Allen were given a wide berth in both coaching staff decision-making and player personnel. Rizzi was the interim coach, so he wasn't put in a position of making personnel decisions. Had Rizzi been hired as the permanent coach, then Rizzi would have been given the reins. The puppet comment has no basis in fact.

Exactly. Loomis literally assimilates & takes on the identity of the HC he hires. That’s why we all loved him w/Sean Payton, then lost faith in him w/DA. I dont agree w/the fans who are calling for his head. But i 100% believe he has to nail this HC hire to get back into the good graces of a portion the fanbase who currently hate him.

 

[DaveXA]

Exactly. Loomis literally assimilates & takes on the identity of the HC he hires. That’s why we all loved him w/Sean Payton, then lost faith in him w/DA. I dont agree w/the fans who are calling for his head. But i 100% believe he has to nail this HC hire to get back into the good graces of a portion the fanbase who currently hate him.

Yeah, I've definitely been critical of Loomis and have even wanted Gayle to promote him to another position and hire a new GM.

That said, it appears he's staying as GM for now. I'm feeling cautiously optimistic considering they're interviewing some legitimate candidates.

I'm not a fan of Aaron Glenn, but I gotta admit, seeing his overall body of work, interviews and recommendations from former Saints like Drew and Reggie has me warming up to him.

I'd still rather an offensive coach, but I think Glenn would be a solid hire. He and Vrabel are really the only 2 defensive coaches I'm interested in.

 

[44slayer]

All this coming out in the past day from Dennis Allen, kind of puts egg on Gayles face. Its out that Loomis didnt agree with firing Allen. Which is in itself absolutely absurd. If Gayle didnt put an end to this lunacy, he would likely still be the HC. 2nd, its not Loomis' job to tell the person he is firing that he doesnt agree with it. His boss told him to do a job he wouldnt do, he shouldve done it and moved on. He had to know Allen would blabber about it at some point.

You cant convince me that Allen had the same level of control Payton had. Theres nothing either way, but when he was first hired, most of Paytons staff was retained. Whether he was told that or not, Im not sure. I absolutely believe Loomis had more control of the team with Allen than he did with Payton.

 

[kcirdor]

All this coming out in the past day from Dennis Allen, kind of puts egg on Gayles face. Its out that Loomis didnt agree with firing Allen. Which is in itself absolutely absurd. If Gayle didnt put an end to this lunacy, he would likely still be the HC. 2nd, its not Loomis' job to tell the person he is firing that he doesnt agree with it. His boss told him to do a job he wouldnt do, he shouldve done it and moved on. He had to know Allen would blabber about it at some point.

You cant convince me that Allen had the same level of control Payton had. Theres nothing either way, but when he was first hired, most of Paytons staff was retained. Whether he was told that or not, Im not sure. I absolutely believe Loomis had more control of the team with Allen than he did with Payton.

Not to burst the bubble or anything... But Loomis already said to the public what Allen told us. The only new information really was Allen skeeted out the door without addressing the players. So, if there was egg its rotten by now.

 

[44slayer]

Not to burst the bubble or anything... But Loomis already said to the public what Allen told us. The only new information really was Allen skeeted out the door without addressing the players. So, if there was egg its rotten by now.

Where was it reported that Loomis didnt agree with Gayles decision?

"Loomis did not indicate whether he agreed with the decision to fire Allen, nor was he asked whether owner Gayle Benson overruled him. In statements Monday, Benson said firing Allen was a decision “I felt we needed to make,” while Loomis issued a staunch defense of the coach and said he would be "missed." Allen went 18-25 in his two-plus seasons coaching the Saints."

Im not saying its not out there, I just dont recall reading anything that explicitly say that Loomis disagreed with Gayle, and told Allen he didnt agree with it.

 

[nakadish]

Exactly. Loomis literally assimilates & takes on the identity of the HC he hires. That’s why we all loved him w/Sean Payton, then lost faith in him w/DA. I dont agree w/the fans who are calling for his head. But i 100% believe he has to nail this HC hire to get back into the good graces of a portion the fanbase who currently hate him.

I think the fanbase is generally not happy unless they have someone to hate on, whether it's justified or not.

 

[44slayer]

I think the fanbase is generally not happy unless they have someone to hate on, whether it's justified or not.

I dont think you can objectively look at this franchise and say Loomis isnt to blame for where its at. He is going to be here, all we can do is hope he can fix it. But this roster, starters and depth, cap situation, etc is all Loomis' doing.

 

[St. Geezy]

Where was it reported that Loomis didnt agree with Gayles decision?

"Loomis did not indicate whether he agreed with the decision to fire Allen, nor was he asked whether owner Gayle Benson overruled him. In statements Monday, Benson said firing Allen was a decision “I felt we needed to make,” while Loomis issued a staunch defense of the coach and said he would be "missed." Allen went 18-25 in his two-plus seasons coaching the Saints."

Im not saying its not out there, I just dont recall reading anything that explicitly say that Loomis disagreed with Gayle, and told Allen he didnt agree with it.

It was definitely out there. Honestly don’t recall how the info got out there, but he’s not making it up.

It was just “known” that Mickey didn’t like the timing. He doesn’t believe in firing coaches midseason. He may have even said it himself, but I don’t recall.

 

[kcirdor]

Where was it reported that Loomis didnt agree with Gayles decision?

"Loomis did not indicate whether he agreed with the decision to fire Allen, nor was he asked whether owner Gayle Benson overruled him. In statements Monday, Benson said firing Allen was a decision “I felt we needed to make,” while Loomis issued a staunch defense of the coach and said he would be "missed." Allen went 18-25 in his two-plus seasons coaching the Saints."

Im not saying its not out there, I just dont recall reading anything that explicitly say that Loomis disagreed with Gayle, and told Allen he didnt agree with it.

I believe he said so on his radio show. But I don't remember exactly. I'm pretty sure it was discussed at some point in the Dennis Allen is fired thread. Or some other thread just for that one subject. If you go back to page one of the Dennis Allen confirms thread.. nearly everyone is saying... YEA WE KNOW ALREADY.... and the thread title also indicates it is "confirmation" of what we already knew.

 

[44slayer]

I believe he said so on his radio show. But I don't remember exactly. I'm pretty sure it was discussed at some point in the Dennis Allen is fired thread. Or some other thread just for that one subject.

Breer reported that Loomis wasnt ready to fire Allen and that it was Gayles decision. Nowhere did Allen or Loomis say at the time that Loomis told Allen he disagreed with the decision. Or did Loomis say he disagreed with it. It was a report. Not a verbal confirmation from 1 of the 2 people in the room. You did get 2 likes for that bit of misinformation though.

Its different hearing if from the guy who was fired, that he was told that Loomis didnt agree with it. Basically, "Gayle told me to do it, but I dont agree with it". I dont know how that doesnt make Gayle look somewhat bad here. A subordinate, or if we dont like that word for Loomis, an employee questioning her decision to the guy she was firing.

 

[nakadish]

I dont think you can objectively look at this franchise and say Loomis isnt to blame for where its at. He is going to be here, all we can do is hope he can fix it. But this roster, starters and depth, cap situation, etc is all Loomis' doing.

Loomis picks the HC. But even then, I would imagine that they treat that like the draft where they come up with a consensus with Loomis, Ireland, etc. with Loomis having the final say. Loomis is responsible for picking the HC, and he's responsible for getting the HC the players he wants. And he's very good at that.

But here's the reality of the NFL. There are a few top teams. And everyone else will be looking for a new HC every 3 years or so till they can break into the top 5 or so NFL teams. That's not easy to do. So the most likely scenario, whether they pick an offensive guy, or a defensive guy is that they will be picking a new HC in another 3 years, because that's just how the NFL works. And part of that is just being at the right place and the right time, like with Payton and Drew.

Nobody would argue that the Steelers aren't a top organization or that Tomlin isn't a good HC, yet there are rumors of the Steelers firing one of the best coaches in the NFL. Good QBs aren't easy to find. Unfortunately for the Saints, it's not the right time and place unless Rattler develops into something special.

 

[St. Geezy]

Breer reported that Loomis wasnt ready to fire Allen and that it was Gayles decision. Nowhere did Allen or Loomis say at the time that Loomis told Allen he disagreed with the decision. Or did Loomis say he disagreed with it. It was a report. Not a verbal confirmation from 1 of the 2 people in the room. You did get 2 likes for that bit of misinformation though.

Its different hearing if from the guy who was fired, that he was told that Loomis didnt agree with it. Basically, "Gayle told me to do it, but I dont agree with it". I dont know how that doesnt make Gayle look somewhat bad here. A subordinate, or if we dont like that word for Loomis, an employee questioning her decision to the guy she was firing.

Yeah I will admit that this specific version of the tidbit is new, but I guess for me, common sense would tell you that if it was said publicly/publicly known, that it would have been conveyed privately, don’t you think?