Semper's Stupendous to Infinity and Beyond Everything Marvel Movie/TV Thread (4 Viewers)

It is no secret that the tide has been slowly turning against the MCU. Critically, Marvel is in a slump, receiving its three lowest-ever Rotten Tomatoes scores in the last three years.

Its working practices, too, have come into question, with what feels like the entire VFX industry lining up to give it a kicking.

But, no matter how bad things get, at least Marvel could console itself with the knowledge that one group of people would never dare to badmouth it.

That’s right, its actors: a group of people who live in such mortal fear of the Marvel brass that they joke about literally being murdered by a sniper whenever an interviewer asks them anything even remotely spoilery.

And yet, here we are. Three Marvel stars have recently broken rank to reveal that their movies sort of suck.

Most recently, Chris Hemsworth has used a GQ profile to tacitly apologise for the mess that was Thor: Love and Thunder, partly on the basis that his son’s friends all told him that it was crap. “I think we just had too much fun,” Hemsworth said of the film’s wonky tone and consequence-free stupidity. “It just became too silly.”

And he has a point. After all, there is only one reason why people pay money to watch movies about hunky space gods fighting each other with hammers, and that’s oppressively unyielding solemnity.

Nor is Hemsworth alone. Anthony Hopkins, who played Hemsworth’s dad in the Thor movies, has also laid into Marvel in a new New Yorker profile about Marvel’s cultural dominance.

Of his role as Odin, Hopkins sniffed: “They put me in armour; they shoved a beard on me. Sit on the throne, shout a bit. If you’re sitting in front of a green screen, it’s pointless acting it.”

Of course, it’s easy for Hemsworth and Hopkins to badmouth Marvel. Hemsworth’s MCU contract is finally up, and there are no plans for him to star in any more instalments, while Hopkins only briefly appeared in the films, and then died, and then won an Oscar for something else. Their time with Marvel is at an end. They have nothing to lose by being honest about their experiences.

But then there’s Elizabeth Olsen, who – despite basically ending the last Doctor Strange film being crushed to death by an entire mountain – still apparently has a future with Marvel.

Nevertheless, on a recent appearance on the Happy Sad Confused podcast, Olsen revealed that her advice to any young actors considering a role in a Marvel film would be “just give them one”, which is code for “don’t sign up for multiple movies like I did, because I am clearly having the worst time imaginable wasting my best years on this cack”

Now, there could be many reasons why all these actors have decided to publicly bite the hand that feeds them. Perhaps they were treated poorly, and this is their revenge.

Perhaps they can sense that Marvel’s period of cultural dominance is coming to an end, and they no longer fear unemployment for speaking their minds.

Perhaps they want to distance themselves from their most popular work for fear of being typecast. Who knows. But whatever the reason, it isn’t good for Marvel.

For years and years, the stars of the MCU have all had to play along with the conceit that they’re all best friends, singing the Brady Bunch theme tune together on Jimmy Fallon and making out that they simply couldn’t believe they got to work with such amazing people. But the seeds of discord were always there.

Remember when Robert Downey Jr filmed his final scene as Iron Man, and then almost immediately unfollowed all the other Avengers on Instagram? And now that Marvel has a few duds under its belt, it appears to be open season…….

 
Hopkins = Brando in Superman, Alec Guinness- grumpy old actor grumping
Heck Bryan Cox is doing it for one of the best TV shows of all time
Neither the Hemsworth nor Olsen lines come anywhere close to what the author is implying
Clickbait silliness

It’s not to say Marvel doesn’t have things to figure out
But I’d say every content/streamer - with the possible exception of Apple - is floundering post-Covid

And honestly the entire world is - we got smacked around by a global pandemic but pretend like it was a momentary inconvenience
We’ve got to do a better job of recognizing and then dealing with our trauma
 
Hopkins = Brando in Superman, Alec Guinness- grumpy old actor grumping
Heck Bryan Cox is doing it for one of the best TV shows of all time
Neither the Hemsworth nor Olsen lines come anywhere close to what the author is implying
Clickbait silliness

It’s not to say Marvel doesn’t have things to figure out
But I’d say every content/streamer - with the possible exception of Apple - is floundering post-Covid

And honestly the entire world is - we got smacked around by a global pandemic but pretend like it was a momentary inconvenience
We’ve got to do a better job of recognizing and then dealing with our trauma
It'd also be cool if we got better movies.
 
It'd also be cool if we got better movies.

The latest Guardians was pretty good minus Adam Warlock, as was Spiderman: No Way Home. I also enjoyed the Loki series and Ms Marvel was pretty fun. Everything else since Infinity War has been average to meh. I personally think they added too many characters too fast and also canceled out any repercussions or fear of death via the multiverse. It's just become saturated and weightless. I think they would have done better if Multiverse of Madness or Quantumania caused a soft reboot instead of an open ended expansion.
 
People need to go back and rewatch some of the older MCU stuff. There's a lot of garbage.
Yeah it’s like people now declaring that 80s/90s music was _____ and not remembering what it was like flipping around the dials trying to find something halfway decent to listen to
 
People need to go back and rewatch some of the older MCU stuff. There's a lot of garbage.

Yes, there always has been. The first Thor movie is bad. The second one is even worse. Iron Man 2 was the victim of a lot of behind the scenes nonsense and Micky Rourke being insane and suffered for it. Weak quality isn't new, it's been there since the early days.

What IS new is the machine gun burst of content that has happened since Endgame. It makes the inferior stuff stand out all the more when it's coming more frequently and in greater numbers. Perception is reality, and right now the perception is Marvel has flooded the market with more content of questionable quality than good stuff.
 
Yes, there always has been. The first Thor movie is bad. The second one is even worse. Iron Man 2 was the victim of a lot of behind the scenes nonsense and Micky Rourke being insane and suffered for it. Weak quality isn't new, it's been there since the early days.

What IS new is the machine gun burst of content that has happened since Endgame. It makes the inferior stuff stand out all the more when it's coming more frequently and in greater numbers. Perception is reality, and right now the perception is Marvel has flooded the market with more content of questionable quality than good stuff.
My main issue with the MCU as a whole is that the first phases were clearly building up to the big baddie at the end, they were on a defined path that lead to that showdown. Now, I have no idea where they are going. It's like the difference between a rifle and a shotgun.
 
My main issue with the MCU as a whole is that the first phases were clearly building up to the big baddie at the end, they were on a defined path that lead to that showdown. Now, I have no idea where they are going. It's like the difference between a rifle and a shotgun.

I've thought about this a lot after the realitve disappointment of phase 4, and I think I've settled on this:

Marvel had some very important decisions to make after Endgame. It was in a sense the finale of everything up to that point. They needed to have a very clear and solid road map of what the next big arc was, what characters would be introduced and how, etc.

Instead what they did was flood the market. More movies per year. Disney plus shows that had other Disney plus shows start as soon as they ended. New characters popping up all over the place without a chance to breathe or for audiences to get attached to them. It was just too much, too fast, and too directionless.

They seem to have learned some lessons. There have been several recent changes. They're going to reduce their content output. They're going back to more established writers and directors. They've reshuffled their slate to give things more time to develop. They canned Victoria Alonzo who by all accounts was a terror to the already overworked VFX houses they used. Those are good signs.

They can right the ship, hopefully.
 
My main issue with the MCU as a whole is that the first phases were clearly building up to the big baddie at the end, they were on a defined path that lead to that showdown. Now, I have no idea where they are going. It's like the difference between a rifle and a shotgun.
And while I know more than a few movies weren't good in some respects, but I loved them because they were part of a larger, epic story and there was some sense of direction.

And fwiw, I actually did like a lot of the older stuff, even as standalone movies. I'm not really a movie connoisseur, so I don't need movies to be great for me to enjoy them. I enjoyed the Thor movies, Iron Man, really most everything pre-Endgame. I didn't hate any of them. There definitely are tiers of movies within that group.

The main issue I have post EG is that lack of true sense of direction and the feeling like well, we're just sitting here waiting for some big reveal that hasn't really come yet. I still like some of the shows and movies, but just don't feel as connected to the big picture.

That said, I am looking forward to Secret Invasion. I hope it ups the ante a bit.
 
And while I know more than a few movies weren't good in some respects, but I loved them because they were part of a larger, epic story and there was some sense of direction.

And fwiw, I actually did like a lot of the older stuff, even as standalone movies. I'm not really a movie connoisseur, so I don't need movies to be great for me to enjoy them. I enjoyed the Thor movies, Iron Man, really most everything pre-Endgame. I didn't hate any of them. There definitely are tiers of movies within that group.

The main issue I have post EG is that lack of true sense of direction and the feeling like well, we're just sitting here waiting for some big reveal that hasn't really come yet. I still like some of the shows and movies, but just don't feel as connected to the big picture.

That said, I am looking forward to Secret Invasion. I hope it ups the ante a bit.
Right, pre-EG, even if you didn’t know how it was going to end, you knew they all tied together because of the infinity stones. Right now, nothing is tying anything together.
 

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