Should Rattler be our starter in 2025? (merged) (15 Viewers)

[nakadish]

I'm sure the next head coach will be given assurances that he has time to turn things around. The whole Allen debacle demonstrated their patience.

How patient will Saints fans be if they only win 3 games? I don't think it's something you can count on after the last few years. Mickey's job is safe, but not if he doesn't start winning.

 

[webster]

How patient will Saints fans be if they only win 3 games? I don't think it's something you can count on after the last few years. Mickey's job is safe, but not if he doesn't start winning.

A new coach starting Rattler won’t be here long. As a fan would you want a coach that would make that kinda of choice? I thought DA going into the season with Haener and Rattler as his backup QBs was a stupid decision. We need a coach that can evaluate talent and bring in a talented young player or a solid vet to be our backup. I would prefer JW over Haener and Rattler being our number 2.

 

[Stinkers]

I might be tripping here....but how many games did we win with Rattler again?

The same as you and me as starting QBs

 

[JackDiesel]

How patient will Saints fans be if they only win 3 games? I don't think it's something you can count on after the last few years. Mickey's job is safe, but not if he doesn't start winning.

Depends on the kind of fan. Someone that understands our cap situation, lack of elite QB's in the draft and Carr not being worth his contract. Or the casual knuckle dragger.

Fans don't matter as Loomis already made clear. Remains to be seen if he'll be running the show but regardless our cap situation is such a cluster that I don't see how a coach can be one and done given it's not their fault.

 

[Rexman100]

We’re in a weird situation. We have a two year Carr lease. We have to decide if we’re building around him. I seriously doubt that they’ll bring in a whole new system for him to learn. If they go the Carr direction then hire Glenn or Weaver and keep the offensive staff. Ofc it’ll have to be Glenn/Weaver’s decision to keep the staff, otherwise abort the plan. The optics would be poor. But it would make sense.

The OCs they are interviewing look to be geared around a partially mobile QB like Rattler. Joe Brady, kingsbury, Kafka, Nagy, Kellen Moore.

Is Rattler the better option? I think so but not because he’s better than Carr. Carr will not stay on the field for 17 games in 2025. So you’d have to assume you’ll be playing both. Which is what would happen. Considering that & that we may take ONE year off-ish, by cutting a couple vets and not signing any big time free agents and letting our own FA’s walk.

So which coach would want to coach this environment? Probably one that is really familiar with this team. There is job security in familiarity. So, with that said, Welcome back to New Orleans AG! Rizzi would also be a good one year bridge coach. One thing is for sure, that we’re not winning next year. We’re rebuilding. Maybe they can sell to the fans that what we saw in week 1 and 2 was too good to walk away from. (When we all know, Carr won’t last more than 3-4 games)

 

[DSnfla]

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We were without Adebo , we traded Latt. and he was hurt when we traded him. Werner missed time so did Harris and Mathieu. And one thing firing DA did was make the D worse

 

[DSnfla]

My answer changes with scenario. If someone like Joe Brady is our head coach and says "I can make this guy special", I'm all for it.

Anything less than that, the answer is no. Rattler has some good skills but he's not good. We either need to look for better, already groomed talent or hire a QB whisperer who can groom Rattler. And if a QB whisperer says Rattler ain't it, then we should start moving on and not look back.

Which QB did Brady make special that was not already special ??

 

[Elvis]

Which QB did Brady make special that was not already special ??

Does he need to make a QB special or design the offense around the QB to get the most out of them. He's certainly done to latter after his predecessor failed to.

 

[StudioSaint]

Does he need to make a QB special or design the offense around the QB to get the most out of them. He's certainly done to latter after his predecessor failed to.

If Brady can design an offense to get the most out of QB, then he should be able to have success doing that with Carr just as much or more than with Rattler. If a new coach brings in a new offensive system, then both Carr, Haener and Rattler would all be learning a new system, so none of them have an advantage over the others regarding that.

People are grasping at rationalizes for why the QB they prefer would be the best choice for a new coach. There's a lot of QB wish casting going on, which is not at all unusual.

 

[fahad]

I don’t think he is ready yet, he has potential but needs more time and experience. Carr right now is the better option. But neither is the answer for Saints future. Saints also need two or more years to get back in contention and only then they can compete.
Saints have cap issues, aging players, thin trenches. They also need the right coaching staff, GM and medical staff.
Lots of needs tell you the truth.

 

[Elvis]

If Brady can design an offense to get the most out of QB, then he should be able to have success doing that with Carr just as much or more than with Rattler. If a new coach brings in a new offensive system, then both Carr, Haener and Rattler would all be learning a new system, so none of them have an advantage over the others regarding that.

People are grasping at rationalizes for why the QB they prefer would be the best choice for a new coach. There's a lot of QB wish casting going on, which is not at all unusual.

Except you missed the earlier part where my preference was to also get younger and a whole lot cheaper. I want the team to develop a young QB on a rookie deal, not a 10th year, $40 million QB with ingrained flaws that aren’t going to get corrected.

 

[MikeyF]

We were without Adebo , we traded Latt. and he was hurt when we traded him. Werner missed time so did Harris and Mathieu. And one thing firing DA did was make the D worse

Yes, we had some injuries in the D backfield but our main issue on D was the inability to stop the run...
We didn't have hardly any significant injuries with that group.

Since the end of the 2021 season, Lattimore hasn't really been available on a consistent basis.


The Adebo injury probably affected our D the most this year...
I agree that firing DA mid-season had a negative affect on our D but I think the main culprit with our defensive downfall this year is the age barrier that finally hit our defensive leaders. They could only play well in spurts.

 

[saintfan1972]

It's tricky, but if the coach coming in knows we need to reset, then Ws aren't the main factor. I personally think Carr will not be here long term, so I feel part ways now. This will give the new coach a year to see what we have in Rattler. If it's a bad year, then draft a QB in 2026.

 

[StudioSaint]

Except you missed the earlier part where my preference was to also get younger and a whole lot cheaper. I want the team to develop a young QB on a rookie deal, not a 10th year, $40 million QB with ingrained flaws that aren’t going to get corrected.

I didn't miss anything you said. I'm pointing out the inconsistency in what is being said. The belief is Brady or another good offensive coach can get more production out of Rattler by designing an offense that fits his skillset.

Then they turnaround and say things like "QB with ingrained flaws that aren’t going to get corrected" about a QB.

Historically, QB's from college with "ingrained flaws" don't usually correct those flaws long term in the NFL. A new coach has just as good a chance of working around any "ingrained flaws" Carr, Haener, Rattler or any other QB has.

My point is that if someone has a preference for any QB over another, then that creates a bias. If a person isn't aware of or denies their bias, then they see everything through the lens of their bias. That usually leads to inconsistent thoughts, opinions and statements.

 

[Elvis]

I didn't miss anything you said. I'm pointing out the inconsistency in what is being said. The belief is Brady or another good offensive coach can get more production out of Rattler by designing an offense that fits his skillset.

Then they turnaround and say things like "QB with ingrained flaws that aren’t going to get corrected" about a QB.

Historically, QB's from college with "ingrained flaws" don't usually correct those flaws long term in the NFL. A new coach has just as good a chance of working around any "ingrained flaws" Carr, Haener, Rattler or any other QB has.

My point is that if someone has a preference for any QB over another, then that creates a bias. If a person isn't aware of or denies their bias, then they see everything through the lens of their bias. That usually leads to inconsistent thoughts, opinions and statements.

Ok you didn't miss it, you just ignored it. If it's Rattler or another young QB on a rookie deal doesn't matter to me. I want a young QB on a rookie deal. Period. And you can save your bias speech. My opinion of Carr isn't personal and I freely admit that he is the better QB as it stands today. But he's not $38.5 million better and I'd rather keep the cheaper guy with upside.

But in terms of being coachable by Brady, Rattler has 163 less NFL games under his belt than Carr does and is FAR more likely to take to new coaching styles and schemes rather than having to keep an offense the way the old dog feels most comfortable.